[OE-core] [Openembedded-architecture] Future of sato and X in oe-core

[Josef Holzmayr]

Howdy!

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 02:57:48PM +0100, Alexander Kanavin wrote:
> The question is: what are the use cases for an 'example/reference UI'? Why
> have one at all at this point? Remember, the core project is severely
> under-staffed and we need to commit our limited resources wisely.

My $.02 are, that while being a good test vehicle to build for us, it is
actually giving a wrong impression to newcomers. Like "here is a DE to
start off, and you can use this build like your desktop box" which is not
at all true.

So my votes are on, as long as we have something that *can* do
*something* on screen with as little effort as possible, we should go
for it. Maintaining a custom thing should be avoided.

Greetz

> 
> On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 at 14:53, Adrian Bunk <bunk at stusta.de> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 01:49:27PM +0100, Alexander Kanavin wrote:
> > >...
> > > - matchbox is reliant on gtk3 (to be obsoleted by gtk4 this year), and
> > does
> > > not have a Wayland compositor. Yocto project does not have the resources
> > to
> > > do the gtk4 port, or add a compositor.
> > >
> > > - no 'lightweight Wayland compositor with a desktop/launcher experience"
> > > has emerged in the open source space; I think the only realistic choice
> > at
> > > the moment is the reference compositor Weston which provides a blank
> > > desktop with ability to open terminal windows.
> > >
> > > So the way I think things should be going (seeking opinions/inputs of
> > > course):
> > >...
> > > - oe-core continues to support and runtime-test X for as long as
> > possible;
> > > for this a new image (say, 'core-image-sato-xorg') is created which will
> > > provide matchbox under X. However, once upstream bitrot sets in, and pain
> > > threshold is exceeded, this will be removed and/or relegated to a legacy
> > > layer.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> >
> > matchbox made sense at a time when you could go into a shop and buy an
> > internet tablet with Linux running on 256 MB flash with 256 MB RAM.
> >
> > Part of the problem is that the only remaining usage of this branch
> > of matchbox development seems to be as example UI for Yocto.
> >
> > For matchbox/sato I am wondering whether replacing it with parts of
> > meta-xfce from meta-openembedded would be a good way forward.
> >
> > Upstream Xfce still seems to be 2-3 years away from gtk4 and Wayland
> > support, but at the point where supporting X might become a problem
> > this should be available.
> >
> > Xfce was my first thought as replacement since it appears to be
> > well-maintained in meta-openembedded, no strong opinion whether
> > it is actually the best option.
> >
> > > Regards,
> > > Alex
> >
> > cu
> > Adrian
> >

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