<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><div>MINUTES: OE-TSC meeting 09-Jun-2011</div><div><br></div><div>Attendees: Khem, Koen, Tom, Stefan, Mark, Richard</div>
<div>Notes: Jefro</div><div><br></div><div>Agenda</div><div><br></div><div>01) choose a meeting chair</div><div><br></div><div> fray</div><div><br></div><div>02) extra topics?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>03) action items from last week</div>
<div><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">--> RP to send email to yocto folks (RP)</span></div><div><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "> done</span></div>
<div><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">--> mailman needs to be patched (koen)</span></div><div><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "> seems to have been fixed</span></div>
<div><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">--> GNOME discussion to ml (all)</span></div><div><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "> koen posted</span></div>
<div><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">--> release issues to ml, interest in 2011.06 (stefan)</span></div><div><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "> done, no 2011.016 release, concentrate on oe-core</span></div>
<div><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">--> discuss one member standing down next week, RP volunteers</span></div><div><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><br>
</span></div><div>03) review/approval of the commit/patch guidelines (fray)</div><div> general approval</div><div><br></div><div>04) older minutes approval, change process? (jefro)</div><div> process is (1) I post minutes as usual but within 24 hrs of meeting, (2) acks before Monday, (3) I send out to oe-core, oe-dev, and tsc</div>
<div><br></div><div>05) TSC structure & elections</div><div> much discussion</div><div> number of seats is a board issue</div><div> OE community would prefer some kind of real election for the TSC seats</div><div> staggered elections will make the TSC better in the long-run (fray)</div>
<div> stefan & RP volunteer to stand for election first, thereafter</div><div> elections to happen alphabetically by first name as outlined in earlier minutes (Khem Koen Mark Tom)</div><div> rough timing is 1 month to call an election, so 2 month cycle for the 5 seats</div>
<div> RP to write letter to board outlining position, drafted during meeting</div><div><br></div><div>06) Status updates</div><div><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><div>
- oe-core</div></span><div> need to populate common images people use in classic oe</div><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><div> - contrib guidelines</div>
<div> done</div><div> - bsp guidelines</div><div> working</div><div> - metadata layer splitting</div><div> - infrastructure</div></span><br></div><div>Raw Transcript:</div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div>
<div>(1:00:17 PM) stefan_schmidt: khem is missing</div><div>(1:00:33 PM) stefan_schmidt: Anybody knows about him?</div><div>(1:02:07 PM) Jefro: haven't heard</div><div>(1:02:16 PM) Jefro: 3 more mins?</div><div>(1:02:57 PM) stefan_schmidt: yes, and then start</div>
<div>(1:03:12 PM) Tartarus: pong</div><div>(1:04:13 PM) khem [~<a href="mailto:khem@99-57-141-118.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">khem@99-57-141-118.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net</a>] entered the room.</div>
<div>(1:04:13 PM) mode (+v khem) by ChanServ</div><div>(1:04:20 PM) khem: hi all</div><div>(1:04:27 PM) Jefro: welcome khem</div><div>(1:04:41 PM) fray: Tartarus the only one missing now?</div><div>(1:04:45 PM) stefan_schmidt: there we go</div>
<div>(1:04:46 PM) RP__: Item 1), RP isn't chairing this week</div><div>(1:04:48 PM) Jefro: sounds like all are here now - roll call? I have heard from RP, stefan_schmidt, Tartarus, and khem</div><div>(1:04:49 PM) Tartarus: I'm here</div>
<div>(1:04:53 PM) fray: ahh ok..</div><div>(1:04:53 PM) Jefro: koen and fray?</div><div>(1:04:58 PM) koen: I'm here</div><div>(1:05:01 PM) fray: here</div><div>(1:05:04 PM) fray: I can chair</div><div>(1:05:11 PM) Jefro: 01) complete</div>
<div>(1:05:23 PM) fray: so on to 2.. any additional topics?</div><div>(1:05:24 PM) RP__: Do we have an agenda?</div><div>(1:05:40 PM) Tartarus: Jefro sent one earlier</div><div>(1:05:40 PM) stefan_schmidt: RP__: yes, Jefro send one out</div>
<div>(1:05:41 PM) Jefro: yes - putting on pastebin</div><div>(1:05:42 PM) ***fray is going off the email from jefro earlier today</div><div>(1:05:48 PM) RP__: Philip is asking me about elections. Did we minute what we're doing?</div>
<div>(1:05:54 PM) khem: Jefro: sent an hour ago I think</div><div>(1:05:55 PM) stefan_schmidt: No new topics from me</div><div>(1:05:58 PM) Jefro: <a href="http://pastebin.com/87BRig97" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://pastebin.com/87BRig97</a></div>
<div>(1:06:09 PM) Tartarus: no new topics here</div><div>(1:06:35 PM) RP__: Jefro: thanks. Sorry I'd bee afk until now</div><div>(1:06:43 PM) Jefro: RP__ yes, minuted in last round, although I still need 2 more acks to send out publicly</div>
<div>(1:06:44 PM) fray: I know we had discussed the elections before, but I'm not sure it went beyond the IRC logs</div><div>(1:06:53 PM) Jefro: RP__ slacker</div><div>(1:06:57 PM) RP__: Philip needs our plan</div><div>
(1:06:59 PM) fray: Jefro, if you are waiting on me let me know -- I think I sent them all out</div><div>(1:07:09 PM) RP__: Jefro: I had a whole two hours away from the computer</div><div>(1:07:20 PM) Jefro: RP__ on a windy ride I hope</div>
<div>(1:07:25 PM) khem: RP__: that was like your vacation :)</div><div>(1:07:29 PM) RP__: Jefro: I wish</div><div>(1:07:37 PM) fray: heh -- ok.. no new topics -- onto 3?</div><div>(1:07:37 PM) koen: shall we discuss elections at 5) ?</div>
<div>(1:07:39 PM) stefan_schmidt: Jefro: I only can ack the minutes I was attending</div><div>(1:07:54 PM) stefan_schmidt: Jefro: Just in case you where wondering why I did not ack all</div><div>(1:08:01 PM) fray: koen, yes I was thinking it would go there</div>
<div>(1:08:09 PM) ***RP__ agrees</div><div>(1:08:13 PM) Jefro: stefan_schmidt - understood, thanks</div><div>(1:08:15 PM) RP__: as long as we cover it</div><div>(1:08:28 PM) ***fray notes two '3's</div><div>(1:08:36 PM) fray: so for the 3.. action items from last week</div>
<div>(1:08:39 PM) ***RP__ sent the email to the yocto people</div><div>(1:08:45 PM) ***Jefro was a math minor, should have completed the major I guess</div><div>(1:08:46 PM) RP__: its also been mentioned in team meetings</div>
<div>(1:08:53 PM) koen: RP seems to have fixed mailman as well</div><div>(1:08:56 PM) ***fray wasn't here for much of last week, so I'm not sure what these all mean</div><div>(1:08:59 PM) RP__: I know its still occurring but we are slowly bringing it under control</div>
<div>(1:09:05 PM) fray: ok, first two done</div><div>(1:09:22 PM) fray: GNOEM discussion, I didn't see anything -- other then a mention to gnome moving.. to meta-gnome -- was that it?</div><div>(1:09:26 PM) RP__: Koen asked the gnome question</div>
<div>(1:09:27 PM) stefan_schmidt: The release mail was also out and nobody complained or stepped up. Done. No 2011.06 release. People can concentrate on oe-core</div><div>(1:09:38 PM) koen: fray: yep, that was it</div><div>
(1:09:56 PM) fray: ok.. I think then #3 -- first is done.. (we'll dicuss the member lstanding down in 5)</div><div>(1:10:02 PM) fray: so #3 -- second one..</div><div>(1:10:08 PM) khem: so I think now we need to populate the common images that people currently use in classic oe</div>
<div>(1:10:44 PM) ***fray steps back</div><div>(1:10:54 PM) koen: khem: that's 06) IMO</div><div>(1:10:58 PM) khem: ok</div><div>(1:11:08 PM) khem: yeah I see the agenda list</div><div>(1:11:11 PM) fray: ok.. 6 that is..</div>
<div>(1:11:17 PM) fray: #3 - part 2..</div><div>(1:11:23 PM) koen: I approve fray's document</div><div>(1:11:30 PM) fray: I submitted what I beleive is the final draft of the guidelines..</div><div>(1:11:39 PM) stefan_schmidt: I'm happy with it as well</div>
<div>(1:11:42 PM) fray: I'd like the group to formally approve it (or reject it) or table as necessary</div><div>(1:11:44 PM) khem: yes we should commission it</div><div>(1:11:45 PM) fray: I vote for it</div><div>(1:11:47 PM) stefan_schmidt: Maybe should write a mail saying this</div>
<div>(1:11:59 PM) Tartarus: i vote for the doc</div><div>(1:12:03 PM) stefan_schmidt: ack from me</div><div>(1:12:12 PM) fray: stefan_schmidt assuming it's approved -- I would expect an email on behalf of the TSC explaining this is now the policy..</div>
<div>(1:12:20 PM) stefan_schmidt: fray: sounds fair</div><div>(1:12:41 PM) koen: fray: care to draft such a mail?</div><div>(1:12:46 PM) fray: so I have 4 approves.. and 2 non-votes if I counted right? I think that passed..</div>
<div>(1:12:50 PM) fray: koen, I can take that action</div><div>(1:13:05 PM) RP__: fray: I'm abstaining on the ground that I haven't read them in a while, sorry :/</div><div>(1:13:14 PM) fray: (assuming this passed, which it appears it did).. where does such a document go on Wiki? Or who do I coordinate with to find the right place</div>
<div>(1:13:24 PM) fray: RP__, I would expect if you find an objection, we can correct it..</div><div>(1:13:26 PM) khem: wiki</div><div>(1:13:33 PM) RP__: fray: yes, I'm fine to proceed</div><div>(1:13:35 PM) Jefro: /me notes passage of 03.5)</div>
<div>(1:13:59 PM) fray: I'm fine with getting this on the wiki, but just unsure of where in the wiki to place it</div><div>(1:14:18 PM) khem: there is area for policies</div><div>(1:14:19 PM) fray: (we can take this off-line as part of my action to send the email out as well)</div>
<div>(1:14:22 PM) fray: Ahh ok</div><div>(1:14:22 PM) stefan_schmidt: fray: we should have a policy section</div><div>(1:14:37 PM) khem: there already is IIRC</div><div>(1:14:40 PM) RP__: fray: OE wiki is probably fine. I'd like to see some links in Yocto too</div>
<div>(1:14:53 PM) Jefro: RP__ I intend to adopt fray's document for Yocto</div><div>(1:14:56 PM) khem: <a href="http://wiki.openembedded.org/index.php/Category:Policy" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://wiki.openembedded.org/index.php/Category:Policy</a></div>
<div>(1:14:58 PM) fray: RP__ ya, (on the yocto side) I was going to work with the tech writer to get the links in place</div><div>(1:15:07 PM) fray: khem, thanks</div><div>(1:15:14 PM) Jefro: from the oe wiki front page, look for "policy"</div>
<div>(1:15:15 PM) RP__: fray, Jefro: sounds good. I will leave this to you</div><div>(1:15:20 PM) Jefro: sorry, "policies"</div><div>(1:15:28 PM) Jefro: scottrif and I will figure it out</div><div>(1:15:32 PM) fray: ok, I think we're done with 3.5 then</div>
<div>(1:15:39 PM) fray: on to 4.. older minutes.. Jefro?</div><div>(1:15:57 PM) ***RP__ wonders what the symptoms of caffeine overdose are...</div><div>(1:16:08 PM) Tartarus: RP__: jitters?</div><div>(1:16:12 PM) RP__: I think that was my tenth mug of tea today :/</div>
<div>(1:16:13 PM) Jefro: yes - first, formal apologies for the minutes snafu, I have hadserious email issues that are being resolved</div><div>(1:16:20 PM) fray: RP__ the guy I know who did that thought he had a heartattack.. litterly ended up in the hospital..</div>
<div>(1:16:45 PM) Jefro: caffeine od's can be very ugly</div><div>(1:16:45 PM) RP__: heart rhythm is fine</div><div>(1:16:56 PM) fray: (he drank a 24 pack of Mt. Dew in like 4 hours or something)</div><div>(1:16:58 PM) ***khem notes mug > glass</div>
<div>(1:17:01 PM) Jefro: if your heart is fine after 10 cups, it is time to cut back, srsly</div><div>(1:17:10 PM) stefan_schmidt: Jefro: so all old minutes are out now?</div><div>(1:17:20 PM) stefan_schmidt: ah, you are waiting for acks for some of them</div>
<div>(1:17:29 PM) Jefro: no, there are two that still need a quorum of acks in order to proceed</div><div>(1:17:32 PM) fray: Jefro, if there are any pending acks, I'd suggest a reminder to the people you are waiting on</div>
<div>(1:18:00 PM) stefan_schmidt: Jefro: wrt process, I think mailing them out for acks is ok.</div><div>(1:18:11 PM) stefan_schmidt: What I would like to see is a deadline to gte them out</div><div>(1:18:15 PM) Jefro: fray I will do that - and will find a better way to manage the minutes thing</div>
<div>(1:18:24 PM) stefan_schmidt: say two days for the minutes mail and 1 or two for the acks</div><div>(1:18:26 PM) fray: ya, the acks are still needed -- we rarely "fix" anything, but it gives us the opporunity to clarify if needed</div>
<div>(1:18:36 PM) stefan_schmidt: I think they should be out under a week</div><div>(1:18:43 PM) ***RP__ should read and ack</div><div>(1:18:48 PM) fray: my preference is to have the minutes for the prior week out the day of, or day before the next meeting</div>
<div>(1:19:01 PM) ***RP__ wasn't well towards the beginning of the week which has left me with a backlog of things</div><div>(1:19:07 PM) stefan_schmidt: fray: yup, at least the day we have the next</div><div>(1:19:12 PM) Tartarus: Maybe we need to say that if it's not ack'd before the next meeting they just go out?</div>
<div>(1:19:19 PM) Jefro: if I get the minutes out within 24 hrs, people will have friday to read & ack</div><div>(1:19:19 PM) Tartarus: Barring unusual circumstances</div><div>(1:19:21 PM) ***RP__ suspects it may be related to needing 10 mugs of tea to stay awake :/</div>
<div>(1:19:57 PM) stefan_schmidt: Tartarus: hmm, I think people should take the few minutes to read and ack</div><div>(1:19:59 PM) fray: Tartarus absolutely.. these are guidelines.. not hard-fast rules IMHO</div><div>(1:20:03 PM) RP__: Jefro: Friday would work, particularly as the meeting should be fresh in people's minds</div>
<div>(1:20:27 PM) stefan_schmidt: friday would be great, if thats possible for Jefro</div><div>(1:20:33 PM) Jefro: the only issue, of course, is me. I can make a special effort.</div><div>(1:20:38 PM) Tartarus: stefan_schmidt: agree</div>
<div>(1:20:42 PM) stefan_schmidt: and people should ack until monday(?)</div><div>(1:20:54 PM) Jefro: not my goal to be a gating factor here. I'd give people until Tues to ack before I start pestering.</div><div>(1:20:55 PM) Tartarus: I think we should give folks until wednesday, this meeting time'ish to ack</div>
<div>(1:21:01 PM) stefan_schmidt: or monday minutes and ack on wednesday</div><div>(1:21:01 PM) Tartarus: and if we don't get the quorum by then, they go out</div><div>(1:21:03 PM) fray: seems reasonable</div><div>(1:21:09 PM) Tartarus: but if we get the quroum sooner, they go out</div>
<div>(1:21:09 PM) stefan_schmidt: would still be ok but the limit for me</div><div>(1:21:35 PM) stefan_schmidt: I would be ok with that</div><div>(1:21:41 PM) Jefro: one thing that would help greatly is for people to make sure to note when something is to be off record</div>
<div>(1:21:58 PM) Jefro: almost the only thing that ever changes is when someone says "oops, I shouldnt say THAT in public"</div><div>(1:22:19 PM) stefan_schmidt: Jefro: agreed people should help you there</div>
<div>(1:22:21 PM) ***RP__ thinks we should try and get minutes out within 36 hours of the meeting</div><div>(1:22:27 PM) RP__: i.e. by the Monday</div><div>(1:22:28 PM) stefan_schmidt: You can't know about such things</div>
<div>(1:22:32 PM) RP__: as its more useful to people reading them</div><div>(1:22:44 PM) khem: yes by Monday will be nice</div><div>(1:22:57 PM) fray: my big thing is the deadline should be the following weeks meeting.. otherwise things can get too old for people to contribute if they have a comment or objection</div>
<div>(1:23:05 PM) fray: but I agree, the earlier the better</div><div>(1:23:20 PM) stefan_schmidt: Same thing as fray here</div><div>(1:23:37 PM) stefan_schmidt: should we aim for monday this time and see how it goes?</div>
<div>(1:23:47 PM) Jefro: so the process is (1) I post minutes as usual but within 24 hrs of meeting, (2) acks before Monday, (3) I send out to oe-core, oe-dev, and tsc</div><div>(1:23:53 PM) khem: I think yes we should try for monday</div>
<div>(1:24:12 PM) stefan_schmidt: so acking over the weekend</div><div>(1:24:21 PM) stefan_schmidt: I hope that works for you guys</div><div>(1:24:28 PM) fray: I will certainly try to do so..</div><div>(1:24:37 PM) khem: stefan_schmidt: fo EU folks it will be monday too available for ack</div>
<div>(1:24:43 PM) Jefro: I will try to get them out as early before friday as possible to avoid weekend work.</div><div>(1:24:55 PM) ***stefan_schmidt is working every weekend the next months anyway. Don't do diploma thesis and have different customers at the same time...</div>
<div>(1:25:05 PM) fray: heh</div><div>(1:25:06 PM) stefan_schmidt: khem: ah, great :)</div><div>(1:25:12 PM) fray: ok, so on to 5?</div><div>(1:25:20 PM) khem: Jefro: is in PST/PDT</div><div>(1:25:31 PM) Jefro: khem - yes, I am in PDT</div>
<div>(1:25:36 PM) stefan_schmidt: fray: yes</div><div>(1:25:53 PM) khem: so our monday morning is already monday evening for EU</div><div>(1:25:53 PM) koen: 20:56 <Crofton> hmm, I thought the TSC was all powerful</div>
<div>(1:25:54 PM) koen: 20:57 <Crofton> what does the TSC want to do?</div><div>(1:25:55 PM) fray: so the TSC structure, started some comments earlier?</div><div>(1:26:00 PM) koen: that's what philip said to me on 5)</div>
<div>(1:26:09 PM) koen: after that he started talking to RP</div><div>(1:26:20 PM) fray: ha! I only feel powerful when I submit code or write documents.. ;)</div><div>(1:26:30 PM) Tartarus: So do we just need to submit a change to our charter?</div>
<div>(1:26:39 PM) Tartarus: I thought we thought that had to be done for us, heh</div><div>(1:26:39 PM) RP__: Tartarus: To do what?</div><div>(1:26:44 PM) stefan_schmidt: so RP offered to step down last time.</div><div>(1:26:45 PM) Tartarus: have one more seat</div>
<div>(1:26:50 PM) stefan_schmidt: I offered as well.</div><div>(1:26:54 PM) RP__: The charter has to be changed by the board</div><div>(1:27:07 PM) stefan_schmidt: Maybe its good to have RP back as formerly voted in member soon so</div>
<div>(1:27:08 PM) fray: I'm also willing to step down and go up for election if it makes things easier..</div><div>(1:27:10 PM) RP__: stefan_schmidt: you weren't here last week, and I said I didn't mind going first</div>
<div>(1:27:16 PM) khem: I think 5 seats are enough</div><div>(1:27:19 PM) stefan_schmidt: if people vote him of course :)</div><div>(1:27:28 PM) RP__: The number of seats is a board issue</div><div>(1:27:44 PM) koen: if 5 seats are enough we could start with someone stepping down who doesn't want a reelection</div>
<div>(1:27:55 PM) stefan_schmidt: RP__: Crofton does know about the seat issue?</div><div>(1:27:57 PM) RP__: stefan_schmidt: I'm making no assumptions</div><div>(1:27:58 PM) koen: that would buy us some time to come up/approve of a new plan</div>
<div>(1:28:23 PM) RP__: stefan_schmidt: He does but the OE community would prefer some kind of real election for the TSC seats I think</div><div>(1:28:35 PM) RP__: stefan_schmidt: There are likely others who would be interested too</div>
<div>(1:28:41 PM) stefan_schmidt: sure</div><div>(1:28:47 PM) stefan_schmidt: thats why we vote</div><div>(1:28:55 PM) fray: I am also a little worried about continuity, I definitely think staggered elections will make the TSC better in the log-run</div>
<div>(1:28:58 PM) fray: 'er.. long run</div><div>(1:29:04 PM) RP__: That is an easy question to ask: Is anyone not going to stand for relection?</div><div>(1:29:05 PM) stefan_schmidt: So RP is going down first and one new seat is elected</div>
<div>(1:29:26 PM) RP__: The real question is who after me?</div><div>(1:29:30 PM) stefan_schmidt: And another one is going down now as well without new elections or is the to much seat going last?</div><div>(1:29:38 PM) RP__: Go by the list we created (alphabetical?)</div>
<div>(1:29:45 PM) fray: I'm certainly willing to go next -- last -- alphabetically</div><div>(1:29:50 PM) RP__: stefan_schmidt: probably goes last is easiest</div><div>(1:30:05 PM) stefan_schmidt: wrt re-election</div>
<div>(1:30:27 PM) stefan_schmidt: I'm pondering myself how much I can offer the TSC. It feels like you guys can offer more</div><div>(1:30:30 PM) koen: do we want to have 1-seat-too-many for the next 6 months or only for the next month</div>
<div>(1:30:37 PM) fray: for continuity sake -- I'd say at the same time the 5th seat is up for re-election</div><div>(1:30:43 PM) stefan_schmidt: In short, I'm not sure if I will put me up again</div><div>(1:31:32 PM) fray: koen, assuming we all step down now -- I'm still worried that in a year we're up for election as a group again.. would it make sense to ask that half the seats be 6 month and the other be 1 year..?</div>
<div>(1:31:47 PM) RP__: stefan_schmidt: The question you need to consider is if you have time and can commit to it</div><div>(1:32:04 PM) RP__: stefan_schmidt: The community are the people who decide if you can offer the right things</div>
<div>(1:32:13 PM) stefan_schmidt: RP__: thats indeed a recent problem as well</div><div>(1:33:16 PM) RP__: koen: We'd lose someone at the point where someone stood down and wasn't reelected</div><div>(1:33:45 PM) RP__: That person may or may not get elected in subsequent elections</div>
<div>(1:33:58 PM) koen: I know</div><div>(1:34:27 PM) koen: I'm just saying that *if* we have someone now who doesn't want to get reelected, we can solve the one-seat-too-many issue right now</div><div>(1:34:31 PM) RP__: fray: I think the elections will be rolling over a period of a few months</div>
<div>(1:34:40 PM) fray: RP__ that would be good</div><div>(1:34:44 PM) RP__: fray: It means the TSC will therefore have continuity</div><div>(1:34:46 PM) stefan_schmidt: Lets go with me being the seat going down without re-election option</div>
<div>(1:34:48 PM) koen: but if there is noone now we can postpone if to later elections</div><div>(1:35:08 PM) stefan_schmidt: It feels like the best option to me. I can put myself up again when I have more time</div><div>
(1:35:48 PM) RP__: stefan_schmidt: If you're about to enter a hectic time that could work out reasonable</div><div>(1:35:48 PM) stefan_schmidt: Would it be a problem for anyone if RP and myself step down first?</div><div>
(1:35:49 PM) Tartarus: stefan_schmidt: hopefully sooner rather than later! :)</div><div>(1:36:04 PM) fray: ok, so do we have a conclusion then for the minutes?</div><div>(1:36:28 PM) RP__: Sounds like myself and Stefan step down and there is an election held</div>
<div>(1:36:29 PM) stefan_schmidt: RP__: yeah, its diploma thesis, buglabs and CELF/LF work until october</div><div>(1:36:44 PM) RP__: Seats then go as per the original list alphabetically?</div><div>(1:36:48 PM) stefan_schmidt: Tartarus: I consider coming back when I have more time again. :)</div>
<div>(1:36:54 PM) fray: RP__, ok then we role follow-on election regularly alphabetically?</div><div>(1:37:05 PM) koen: alphabet is fine by me</div><div>(1:37:06 PM) stefan_schmidt: sounds good to me</div><div>(1:37:15 PM) khem: fine for me</div>
<div>(1:37:37 PM) fray: rough timing is 1 month to call an election, 1 month to tabulate/get the new seat "in".. then the next election..</div><div>(1:37:42 PM) fray: so 2 month cycle for the 5 seats?</div><div>
(1:37:52 PM) fray: (2 months per seat?)</div><div>(1:38:02 PM) fray: or is that too slow -- or out of our control?</div><div>(1:38:10 PM) RP__: fray: I'll leave it to the board</div><div>(1:38:14 PM) fray: fair enough</div>
<div>(1:38:19 PM) RP__: I'm assuming an election once a month though</div><div>(1:38:29 PM) fray: ok</div><div>(1:38:41 PM) fray: I'm still new to the election policies..</div><div>(1:38:44 PM) ***RP__ will send a summary to the board if that works for people?</div>
<div>(1:38:54 PM) fray: that works</div><div>(1:38:58 PM) fray: for me</div><div>(1:39:01 PM) Tartarus: works for me</div><div>(1:39:11 PM) ***fray wonders if he needs some of that tea.. ;)</div><div>(1:39:32 PM) ***RP__ is feeling sleepy</div>
<div>(1:39:36 PM) ***Jefro notes it all. 1 question - alphabetially by last name or first?</div><div>(1:39:36 PM) fray: no objections to the plan? on to 6?</div><div>(1:39:49 PM) khem: First</div><div>(1:39:50 PM) RP__: Jefro: as per whatever was originally in the minutes</div>
<div>(1:40:02 PM) fray: ya, whatever was in the original minutes</div><div>(1:40:24 PM) khem: Khem Koen Mark Tom</div><div>(1:40:29 PM) Jefro: ok, will look at previous minutes</div><div>(1:40:47 PM) fray: ok</div><div>(1:41:20 PM) fray: on to 6 then -- status updates and related</div>
<div>(1:42:08 PM) koen: 6a: oe-core</div><div>(1:42:36 PM) fray: related comment: I'm hearing side conversations regularly with people really happy with oe-core and how it's progressing..</div><div>(1:42:50 PM) khem: layering guidelines is critical IMO</div>
<div>(1:43:02 PM) fray: hearing some (so far minor) concerns about "missing" oe-dev functionality.. but nothing that I would consider a complaint</div><div>(1:43:03 PM) ***stefan_schmidt notes something OT: Mickey got father: <a href="http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2011/06/09/the-eagle-has-landed/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2011/06/09/the-eagle-has-landed/</a></div>
<div>(1:44:22 PM) koen: there are some small process/communication issue with oe-core, but all in all I have a positive feeling about it</div><div>(1:44:57 PM) stefan_schmidt: it looks for me like the pieces are falling into place</div>
<div>(1:45:13 PM) stefan_schmidt: the different layers may still confuse people</div><div>(1:45:33 PM) ***koen is going to segue into contribution guidelines</div><div>(1:45:37 PM) fray: I see good conversation and review on the oe-core list, as well as on-going stability</div>
<div>(1:45:58 PM) koen: contribution guidelines could be clearer for layers</div><div>(1:46:11 PM) RP__: stefan_schmidt: Hopefully this will become clearer over time as people start using the different pieces</div><div>(1:46:12 PM) koen: but most of the times it involves people not reading the README in the layer</div>
<div>(1:47:00 PM) koen: the current number of layers is quite impressive already: <a href="http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/setup-scripts/tree/conf/bblayers.conf?h=oe-core" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/setup-scripts/tree/conf/bblayers.conf?h=oe-core</a></div>
<div>(1:47:04 PM) stefan_schmidt: RP__: I hope for the same</div><div>(1:47:12 PM) RP__: Is <a href="http://pastebin.com/ur3p9yXc" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://pastebin.com/ur3p9yXc</a> ok with people?</div>
<div>(1:47:17 PM) RP__: (TSC to board)</div><div>(1:48:01 PM) stefan_schmidt: RP__: looks good to me</div><div>(1:48:08 PM) Tartarus: works for me</div><div>(1:48:15 PM) ***RP__ adds a bit about RP standing for re-election</div>
<div>(1:48:33 PM) koen: RP__: maybe clarify the seat-too-many issue</div><div>(1:48:52 PM) khem: ok by me</div><div>(1:49:00 PM) koen: RP__: but fine by me as-is</div><div>(1:49:11 PM) ***RP__ adds "This should resolve the fact that we have six people on the TSC and need to reduce this to give somehow."</div>
<div>(1:49:21 PM) RP__: s/give/five/</div><div>(1:49:51 PM) fray: ya makes sense</div><div>(1:50:27 PM) khem: koen: qt is in oe-core</div><div>(1:50:43 PM) khem: err not for koen alone</div><div>(1:51:01 PM) khem: should it be a different layer</div>
<div>(1:51:47 PM) koen: khem: I'd take that to the ml</div><div>(1:51:53 PM) koen: (oe-core)</div><div>(1:52:28 PM) RP__: Its a mailing list discussion I think</div><div>(1:52:31 PM) fray: BTW my gut tells me that eventually "QT" will likely move to a layer, with the latest version(s), IDE components, etc..</div>
<div>(1:52:42 PM) khem: yes</div><div>(1:52:49 PM) RP__: Short answer is that for now having it coordinated from OE-Core might be beneficial</div><div>(1:52:53 PM) koen: s/qt/qt4/</div><div>(1:53:00 PM) koen: qt3 has its own layer already</div>
<div>(1:53:04 PM) khem: if time permits I have plans to add meta-kde since now kwin will support Open GL ES</div><div>(1:53:11 PM) khem: starting 4.7</div><div>(1:53:37 PM) koen: khem: you'll thank RP for BBCLASSEXTEND, since *every* KDE recipe needs a native version</div>
<div>(1:53:46 PM) fray: koen, it would be really nice if Nokia or someone familar w/ QT would be the integrators/maintainers</div><div>(1:53:48 PM) koen: qt people don't use shell, they write a qt app</div><div>(1:54:21 PM) koen: fray: I expect TI to take an interest when we transistion our product to the oe-core metaverse</div>
<div>(1:54:35 PM) koen: it's a deliverable in our SDK :)</div><div>(1:55:19 PM) ***RP__ notes we're nearly out of time</div><div>(1:55:29 PM) fray: yes.. sorry wasn't watchign that</div><div>(1:55:34 PM) khem: yes, we still have release plan</div>
<div>(1:55:35 PM) RP__: Do any of those other topics need discussion?</div><div>(1:55:37 PM) koen: we're at 6d by the looks of it</div><div>(1:56:15 PM) RP__: btw, I'd also like to note for the record that bitbake in poky and bitbake-upstream are nearly in sync</div>
<div>(1:56:20 PM) fray: khem, I think we're getting close to a point we need to.. but I'm not sure yet if we're ready..</div><div>(1:56:36 PM) khem: fray: thats why its plan</div><div>(1:56:50 PM) fray: khem, I'm referring to the plan stage..</div>
<div>(1:56:54 PM) RP__: Is this for the October release/</div><div>(1:56:55 PM) RP__: ?</div><div>(1:57:00 PM) khem: RP__: yes</div><div>(1:57:16 PM) khem: I think it would be nice to have other distros adopt oe-core by then in release</div>
<div>(1:57:21 PM) Jefro: RP__ put bitbake sync on the status list for next week? anything that can come off that list?</div><div>(1:57:30 PM) koen: it looks like angstrom is on track for an october release of its metadata</div>
<div>(1:57:37 PM) khem: koen: cool</div><div>(1:57:41 PM) RP__: Jefro: Its pretty much done, I just wanted to make sure people had noticed :)</div><div>(1:57:49 PM) RP__: koen: very cool</div><div>(1:57:59 PM) RP__: My intent is that as we get closer, I'll get stricter about the kind of changes going into OE-Core eventually branching for the release</div>
<div>(1:58:00 PM) koen: RP__: please consider doing >1 bitbake releases before any oe release</div><div>(1:58:12 PM) khem: I have to hand over slugos to Mike W</div><div>(1:58:18 PM) RP__: koen: bitbake 2.x you mean?</div>
<div>(1:58:32 PM) koen: 1.13.1 or 1.14.0, whatever</div><div>(1:58:36 PM) RP__: koen: right</div><div>(1:58:43 PM) fray: ok -- is that it then?</div><div>(1:58:52 PM) koen: I've noticed that releases always run into bitbake release timing issues</div>
<div>(1:59:14 PM) khem: koen: yes bb should be released along with rest IMO</div><div>(1:59:26 PM) ***RP__ is going to try and get bitbake release sorted out</div><div>(1:59:29 PM) koen: it shouldn't be coupled</div><div>
(1:59:35 PM) RP__: Its the last remaining thing on berlios</div><div>(1:59:40 PM) koen: that why I said >1 releases before :)</div><div>(1:59:50 PM) khem: koen: not coupled but proximity</div><div>(2:00:01 PM) khem: oh hmm</div>
<div>(2:00:01 PM) RP__: I am going to bump the version soon and make OE-Core require it</div><div>(2:00:11 PM) RP__: so its clear bitbake master is needed for OE-Core</div><div>(2:00:24 PM) koen: I think with a few releases to choose from the bitbake devs will sleep better as well</div>
<div>(2:00:29 PM) fray: will that allow switching the fetcher?</div><div>(2:01:05 PM) RP__: fray: We have to consider longer term whether newer bitbakes continue to support oe-devel</div><div>(2:01:18 PM) RP__: or can we drop the fetchv1 codebase</div>
<div>(2:01:27 PM) fray: definitely</div><div>(2:01:36 PM) Tartarus: not until oe-devel is r/o</div><div>(2:01:42 PM) Tartarus: and then one more release as the last one for it</div><div>(2:01:51 PM) Tartarus: and, outta time :)</div>
<div>(2:01:51 PM) khem: RP__: oe.dev prolly no</div><div>(2:01:55 PM) fray: ya</div><div>(2:02:09 PM) RP__: Its something to think about...</div><div>(2:02:14 PM) fray: meeting over.. any other immediate issues -- mailing list.. otherwise next week..</div>
<div>(2:02:34 PM) Jefro: cool - see yall, minutes by this time tomorrow or earlier</div><div>(2:02:40 PM) khem: cu</div><div>(2:02:45 PM) stefan_schmidt: night folks</div></div></span><br>-- <br>Jeff Osier-Mixon <a href="http://jefro.net/blog" target="_blank">http://jefro.net/blog</a><div>
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