<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">OpenEmbedded Technical Steering Committee</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
17 July 2012</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Attending: Paul, Mark, Khem, Koen, Richard</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">________________________________________________________________</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Agenda & Results</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">1. pick a chair - RP</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">2. lingering issues</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> a. raise awareness of "janitor" list, QA "bugs"</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
-> continue</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> b. discuss communication with OE community about release-oriented phases</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
-> continue</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> c. pre/post install scripting (fray)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
-> continue</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
3. new issues</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> a. oe-made-easy script in getting started instructions</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
plan was to note on wiki not officially OE approved</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> ok to have a place for contributed scripts, clearly labeled</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> => bluelightning to clean up wiki page, move ref to its own page</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> b. systemd</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
-> good progress, koen has merged meta-systemd split, reviews & patches</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> => bluelightning to announce to mailing list</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
c. PR bumps</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> => koen to investigate server & report back</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
=> bluelightning to test on autobuilder infrastructure</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> -> no progress yet</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> d. package.bbclass whitespace cleanup work</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
possibly require spaces as whitespace, disallow tabs</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> policy is 4-space indentation in python, documented in various places</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">4. status</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> a. Should we still support separation of / and /usr?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
-> enhancement request filed</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> => move this to lingering issues (jefro)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> b. khem to file enhancement request for python devshell (done)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> c. oe-core release</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
there will be discussion on the list about release process</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span> next release time frame is October 2012</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> => khem to ensure we have a place for release tarballs</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span> </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> d. elections</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
-> remove from this list, put back when needed (May 2013)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
e. infrastructure</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> Tom K needs to upgrade servers to 12.04 LTS, some downtime coming soon</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
not much progress, tom k setting up buildbot</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> mailing list issue (koen) - board is coping with it, keep on agenda</div>
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________________________________________________________________</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Raw Transcript</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:01:36 AM) khem [~<a href="mailto:khem@99-57-140-209.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">khem@99-57-140-209.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net</a>] entered the room.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:01:36 AM) mode (+v khem) by ChanServ</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:01:48 AM) khem: hello</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:02:08 AM) ***koen is on a phonecall as well</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:02:15 AM) koen: so I'll be a bit slow in responding</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:02:19 AM) khem: I will have to leave early today</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:02:23 AM) khem: hello koen</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:02:55 AM) Jefro: hi khem - I am franitcally working on agenda at <a href="http://piratepad.net/ZVsA2a0no3" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">http://piratepad.net/ZVsA2a0no3</a></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:03:26 AM) RP: In the meantime we should pick a chair</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:03:32 AM) RP: me?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:06:14 AM) ***fray has been either very busy with work or on vacation and completely disconnected since the last meeting..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:06:14 AM) Jefro1: hotel wifi...</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:06:18 AM) bluelightning: Jefro1: in stereo</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:06:21 AM) fray: So I don't have anything to report..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:06:45 AM) RP: ok, I'll chair</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:07:16 AM) RP: I don't think there is any change on the lingering issues in 2. If anyone things differently, please interrupt</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:07:30 AM) RP: 3a, oe-made-easy script</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:07:49 AM) koen: oe-single-use script</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:07:59 AM) RP: Personally, I don't think that should be as predominate in the quickstart</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:08:17 AM) bluelightning: I'm not sure it should be there at all myself</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:08:31 AM) fray: we left it last week that scripts like that were potentially valuable.. but they shouldn't be listed as official OE quick-start, since they ay not work as "we" intend..</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:08:31 AM) koen: I'm with bluelightning</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:09:28 AM) RP: So any volunteer to clean up that page?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:09:35 AM) bluelightning: I can do it</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:09:38 AM) fray: if people need a quick-start script.. then the guide is lacking -- or something is too complicated (and maybe a script is needed to do some of the wor?)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:09:44 AM) bluelightning: I did make some cleanups already last week</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:09:48 AM) bluelightning: er, two weeks ago now</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:09:51 AM) fray: bluelightning I can help review anything you need, but won't have time to help directly..</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:09:56 AM) fray: (least not till next week)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:10:03 AM) bluelightning: sure</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:10:10 AM) bluelightning: it was the decision I was interested in mostly</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:10:24 AM) ***Jefro can help turn it into English, but also not before next week</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:10:42 AM) RP: I'm ok with the reference being removed</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:11:06 AM) RP: For 3b, I gather there has been good progress?</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:11:11 AM) RP: (systemd)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:11:15 AM) fray: I'd suggest that we have some place where people can offer unofficial scripts or at least references to them</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:11:24 AM) fray: but it should be clearly labeled as such..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:11:43 AM) bluelightning: fray: we kind of do under scripts/contrib, not sure how freely we let stuff be dropped in there but it's one possible place</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:11:47 AM) RP: Yes, I'#d equally be ok with a clearly labelled reference</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:11:59 AM) fray: I'm more thinking wiki...</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:12:15 AM) fray: contrib is stuff IMHO the oe project has accepted, even though not everyone might find it useful..</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:12:23 AM) bluelightning: right, yes</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:12:30 AM) fray: these are scripts "not yet accepted" but might be useful.. no warranty implied.. ;)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:12:44 AM) bluelightning: right, yeah it's kind of different</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:13:23 AM) ***RP agrees</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:13:37 AM) RP: So what is the action (if any?)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:14:33 AM) bluelightning: I'd like to move the reference to its own page; we can link it as well as linking quick start guides for distros based on OE-Core</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:14:44 AM) bluelightning: with caveats added about not being official etc.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:14:55 AM) bluelightning: sound OK?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:14:56 AM) fray: bottom of quick start page -- clearly deifne (or link to a different wiki page that clearly defines) the references below as being user submitted and not supported by the OE project.. they may or may not be useful to help new users get started</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:15:04 AM) fray: yes, sounds good to me</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:15:28 AM) RP: bluelightning: yes, sounds good</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:15:42 AM) bluelightning: ok, great</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:15:45 AM) ***RP is happy to leave this in bluelightning's capable hands</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:15:53 AM) RP: ok, 3b, systemd</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:15:54 AM) bluelightning: :)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:16:03 AM) bluelightning: RP: 3b, seems like good progress to me, I gather from koen merging the meta-systemd split that he was happy with it :)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:16:06 AM) RP: Anything we need to talk about there or see the mailing lists?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:16:19 AM) RP: ok, sounds like good progress</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:16:26 AM) fray: cool</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:16:28 AM) bluelightning: only remark I would have is that we probably ought to make some form of announcement</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:16:40 AM) koen: bluelightning: I was happy people actually posted and reviewed patches instead of either bithcing or forking</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:16:50 AM) RP: Sounds good. Any volunteers for that?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:17:14 AM) bluelightning: I can do it if no one else would prefer to...</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:17:44 AM) RP: bluelightning: crickets so it looks like its you</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:17:52 AM) RP: 3c: PR bumps</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:18:03 AM) RP: koen, bluelightning: any updates?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:18:18 AM) koen: no, too busy moving house</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:18:21 AM) bluelightning: no updates here I'm afraid, I will get onto it this week</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:18:34 AM) koen: 9 days left till I get wired internet :)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:18:49 AM) bluelightning: argh I hate that period after moving</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:19:10 AM) bluelightning: 3g dongles make life a little easier these days though</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:19:29 AM) RP: koen: ok, do you think you'll be able to look at it soon or not?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:19:49 AM) koen: realistically in a week or so</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:20:01 AM) koen: I need it to work soon, so I am motivated to test it :)</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:20:39 AM) RP: koen: ok, sounds good! :)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:20:54 AM) RP: I sneaked 3d onto the agenda</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:20:58 AM) RP: package.bbclass and whitespace</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:21:09 AM) fray: this cleanup work?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:21:14 AM) RP: fray: yes</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:21:23 AM) RP: That file is a mess with a mixture of tabs and spaces</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:21:36 AM) RP: the trouble is changing it could cause issues with _append and _prepend of functions</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:21:36 AM) fray: 'k.. ya I noticed that a week or so ago as well..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:21:55 AM) fray: do we have any type of policy in OE, tabs vs spaces? (should we)/</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:22:00 AM) RP: I'm seriously considering making bitbake throw errors if it sees tabs in python</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:22:01 AM) bluelightning: not the only place unfortunately :/</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:22:16 AM) RP: fray: the policy is 4 space indentation in python</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:22:22 AM) fray: ok..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:22:24 AM) RP: and it is documented in various places</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:22:30 AM) khem: I think I will support RP</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:22:34 AM) fray: (I've always matched what was there.. or at least tried to)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:22:38 AM) RP: Obviously changing this will mean some work cleaning up layers</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:22:42 AM) fray: ya</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:22:46 AM) RP: the nice thing is the errors will be clear ones</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:23:08 AM) RP: So I'm asking the TSC whether we thing the pain of that cleanup is worth the gain?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:23:22 AM) RP: I don't have a bitbake patch but it shouldn't be hard to write one</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:23:27 AM) fray: could this be something we do immediately after the next release?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:23:39 AM) RP: fray: I'm contemplating now</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:23:43 AM) fray: my concern is, is doing it now a good idea.. (or are we too far into the cycle)</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:23:57 AM) fray: he next rlease time frame is October?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:24:15 AM) RP: fray: yes</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:24:25 AM) fray: he->the rlease->release (my fingers must still be on vacation)</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:24:27 AM) RP: fray: I think if we do it, I'd prefer to get on with it in many ways</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:24:42 AM) fray: 2 months+ seems like enough time to me</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:25:06 AM) fray: we should announce it a couple days in advance though..</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:25:36 AM) RP: fray: yes, the idea would be to prepare the patch, announce on the OE-Core list and warn people, than merge the bitbake change and start fixing the metadata</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:25:43 AM) RP: likely correpsonding to a bitbake release</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:26:29 AM) fray: yup, with 2+ months, that seems fine.. my cut-off would be 45 days to Oct 1</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:27:13 AM) RP: ok, if no objections I'll proceed with that</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:27:28 AM) RP: For 4a, an ehancement request was filed</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:27:41 AM) fray: cool</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:27:54 AM) fray: (BTW we should change the 4a heading.. the devshell and / and /usr are different..</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:27:57 AM) RP: We agreed to monitor /usr separation as an ongoing item</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:27:59 AM) fray: and /usr are ongoing status items</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:28:17 AM) fray: yup</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:28:45 AM) RP: So 4a should move to lingering issues from now on I think</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:28:51 AM) fray: yes..</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:28:56 AM) RP: 4b is done</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:28:57 AM) ***Jefro makes a note to do so in future agendas</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:29:01 AM) RP: 4c - any comments?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:29:11 AM) RP: oecore releases?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:29:26 AM) fray: no comment other then we need to do so</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:29:31 AM) fray: and should start soon</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:30:01 AM) khem left the room.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:30:04 AM) RP: well, we do have the branches there</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:30:17 AM) RP: and should have the tags so it wouldn't be hard</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:30:29 AM) RP: It was kind of an infrastructure issue in the past, I think that is better now</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:30:38 AM) fray: I'm more talking letting people know far in advance suggested release process..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:30:40 AM) RP: Unfortunately we just lost Khem who would know more :/</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:30:57 AM) RP: fray: ah, yes, we did agree to make that more verbose</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:30:57 AM) fray: i.e. we're stabilizing here, no longer taking patches here, planned release here.. (subject to change)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:31:12 AM) fray: leaving enough time for the likely on-rush of last-minute patches based on whatever is sent out</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:31:13 AM) RP: fray: that is really 2b</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:31:26 AM) fray: 'k</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:31:56 AM) RP: fray: I agree we need to do it, I could really use help with it though</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:32:16 AM) fray: ya.. it's still on my TODO plate.. next week I can get on top of it finally..</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:32:23 AM) RP: fray: ok</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:32:39 AM) RP: anything more specific we need to talk about there?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:32:53 AM) onoffon [~<a href="mailto:khem@me10536d0.tmodns.net" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">khem@me10536d0.tmodns.net</a>] entered the room.</div>
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(9:34:04 AM) RP: for 4d, there was a note for jefro in the last meeting discussion - we think the date needs amending as Frans pointed out</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:34:26 AM) fray: yupup</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:35:09 AM) RP: For 4c (oecore releases), Khem has volunteers to take an AR to ensure we have somewhere for the release tarballs</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:35:19 AM) RP: volunteered</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:35:32 AM) RP: Jefro: I assume you have noted the above?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:35:38 AM) RP: (for 4d)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:35:43 AM) Jefro: yes, I just saw that & sent a note back to Frans</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:35:57 AM) RP: Which brings up 4e for which I have no update</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:36:04 AM) Jefro: I have a calendar item to remind the board next May, should be sufficient for July election</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:36:11 AM) RP: Jefro: sounds good</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:36:16 AM) RP: Jefro: thanks</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:36:35 AM) RP: So anything for 4e, or any other business?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:36:47 AM) koen: not from me</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:36:53 AM) bluelightning: nothing here</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:37:02 AM) RP: fray: ?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(9:37:19 AM) fray: nothing here (suddenly having network problems)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(9:37:32 AM) RP: In which case, thanks all and I'll close the meeting! :)</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Jeff Osier-Mixon <a href="http://jefro.net/blog" target="_blank">http://jefro.net/blog</a><div>Yocto Project Community Manager @Intel <a href="http://yoctoproject.org" target="_blank">http://yoctoproject.org</a></div>
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