<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">OpenEmbedded Technical Steering Committee</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
3 July 2012</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Attendees: Mark, Richard, Khem, Paul</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Apologies: Koen</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">________________________________________________________________</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Agenda & Results</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
1. pick a chair: fray</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
2. lingering issues</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
a. raise awareness of "janitor" list, QA "bugs"</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> -> continued</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
b. discuss communication with OE community about release-oriented phases</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> -> continued</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
c. pre/post install scripting (fray)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> initscript setup seems like a logical place to start</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
goal: way to work with bare (no-init/minimal init), sysvinit, and systemd based systems with a common framework</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
=> discuss on mailing list, offer oversight from TSC (fray)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
3. new issues</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
b. systemd</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> discuss on mailing list (all)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
-> Andreas hopes to have patches soon</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
c. PR bumps</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> => koen to investigate server & report back</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
-> continued</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> => bluelightning to test on autobuilder infrastructure</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
-> continued</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> => find someone to write a readme on the use of the PR services, beyond what is in</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> local.conf.sample.extended (all)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> d. cleanups (RP)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
many items could use some cleanup, e.g. variables, refactoring image/pkg code</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> creating bugs for tracking cleanups is first task</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> => consider cleanup items & file bugs (all)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">4. status</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> a. Should we still support separation of / and /usr?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
x> khem to file enhancement request for python devshell - done</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> -> keep monitoring</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> a. oe-core release</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
discussion on the list about release process</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span> </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
b. elections</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> -> remove from this list, put back when needed - 2 years from last December</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
x> Jefro to document on wiki & remind the board in October 2013 - done</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> x> Jefro to fix dates - done</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
c. infrastructure</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> -> Tom K upgraded servers to 12.04 LTS, no issues</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
mailing list issue (koen) - board is coping with it, keep on agenda</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
d. khem working on eglibc 2.16 upgrade</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
e. /root vs. /home/root discussion</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> -> RP will probably take fray's patch to use /home/root</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
f. oe-made-easy script contribution</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> => add wiki note that not part of OE, but provided if someone needs it (bluelightning)</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> possibly review & make more official</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">________________________________________________________________</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Raw Transcript</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(16:50:18) khem: hi all</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:04:18) RP: ok, any ideas on a chair?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:04:43) fray: I can chair.. do we have an agenda yet?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:04:53) RP: fray: I was just cut and pasting one</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:05:08) ***fray waits</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:06:00) RP: anyone have any opens to add?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:06:12) RP: <a href="http://pastebin.com/8Eg7ZpCy" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">http://pastebin.com/8Eg7ZpCy</a></div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:06:31) RP: I did truncate it a bit</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:07:03) RP: I guess the only thing I'd add it cleanups and how aggressive should we be?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:08:08) fray: sounds fine</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:08:21) bluelightning: yep let's discuss that</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:08:28) khem: nothing from me</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:08:46) RP: fray: You're chairing?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:08:51) fray: sure</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:09:39) fray: ok.. no other ammendments then?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:09:45) RP: I don't think anything has happened with 2a and for 2b, I think communication is happening as needed</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:09:51) RP: fray: not from me</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:10:01) bluelightning: nor me</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:10:07) fray: RP, correct.. I'm supposed to push them and I finally got out from the rock I was buried under..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:10:09) RP: 2c, we need some proposals but don't have any yet</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:10:32) fray: 2c -- I keep seeing people talking aobut initscript setup and such.. I think this may be a fairly logical place to extend the behavior..</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:11:07) fray: we already have some with the update-rc.d stuff, but it would be nice if there was a way to work with bare (no-init/minimal init), sysvinit, and systemd based systems with a common framework</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:11:22) RP: fray: no argument, we just need proposals and people with the time to spend on it</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:11:30) RP: clearly defined tasks</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:11:38) fray: ya.. unfortunately I don't have the time or I'd like to do that..</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:11:45) fray: (I enjoy system startup issues..)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:11:49) RP: fray: common problem :/</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:12:10) fray: should we ask the folks on the lists to see if anyone wants to work on this as a common problem?</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:12:21) fray: (I haven't seen any firm proposals, other then minor discussion at this point)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:12:24) bluelightning: sounds like a good idea</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:12:30) RP: We can ask...</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:12:42) RP: My worry is we need someone experienced to review the changes too</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:12:46) fray: ok, then I propose we simply say we see a problem, and we are asking for people to work on this..</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:12:50) fray: absolutely</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:13:02) khem: is this for pre/post install scripting</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:13:08) RP: khem: yes</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:13:15) fray: pre/post install scripting specifically for initscript/bootup control</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:13:58) khem: yes I think we should discuss it on ml and get more folks ideas</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:14:28) fray: so lets ask for help here.. with oversight from the TSC and regular mailing list reviews.. (if we have enough folks able to help) we should make progress..</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:14:32) fray: otherwise we're no worse off then today</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:15:21) fray: anything else on 2c?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:15:34) fray: ohh and who has the AI to send out an email asking for help?</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:16:49) RP: fray: I think you'd make a good candidate? ;-)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:16:54) fray: ok, I take silence as I guess I need to.. ;)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:16:57) fray: put me down for the AI</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:17:18) fray: (ohh and I think we should keep 2c as a standing issue).. otherwise onto 3?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:17:29) RP: fray: sounds goof</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:17:32) RP: good :)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:17:37) RP: fray: well volunteered! :)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:17:55) RP: For systemd, I failed to deal with my AR :(</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:17:55) fray: I see no 3a....</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:18:00) ***RP will aim to do better</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:18:06) RP: fray: cut and paste issue</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:18:08) fray: 3b then.. ;)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:18:15) RP: fray: there isn't a 3a</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:18:39) khem: systemd layer is still empty</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:18:41) fray: I don't have any thing then on systemd.. on to 3c?</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:18:48) bluelightning: for 3b I just sent out a ping this morning</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:18:55) bluelightning: (for the creation of the layer)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:18:58) khem: bluelightning: good.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:19:06) bluelightning: Andreas is swamped atm but he hopes to have a v2 patch series soon</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:19:18) khem: bluelightning: yes then we can start testing it out</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:19:53) fray: excellent</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:20:29) fray: ok 3c then.. anything to report on the PR server?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:21:03) bluelightning: I have not yet talked yet with our autobuilder folks about testing it, so no progress</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:21:11) fray: ok..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:21:25) fray: is 3d - cleanups (new item) or is that elsewhere?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:21:41) khem: bluelightning: is there some email/doc on how to enable it</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:21:46) fray: (elswhere in the agenda that is)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:22:01) bluelightning: khem: I'm not sure, I doubt we have a comprehensive document for it</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:22:18) fray: ya, we'll need at least basic instructions on setup and using it before we can switch to it..</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:22:32) RP: There is something in the sample local.conf fiiles iirc</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:22:33) fray: RP -- do you know if there are any Yocto Project documentation tasks around the PR server?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:22:55) RP: fray: I'm not familiar with other docs</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:23:13) fray: this is in local.conf.sample.extedned</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:23:13) khem: RP: I would test it out locally since I have some private feeds where I can experiment with it</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:23:14) fray: # The network based PR service host and port</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:23:14) fray: # Uncomment the following lines to enable PRservice.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:23:14) fray: # Set PRSERV_HOST to 'localhost' and PRSERV_PORT to '0' to automatically</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:23:14) fray: # start local PRService.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:23:14) fray: # Set to other values to use remote PRService.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:23:14) fray: #PRSERV_HOST = "localhost"</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:23:15) fray: #PRSERV_PORT = "0"</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:23:51) khem: thats it ?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:23:56) khem: OK I will try it out</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:24:52) fray: that seems sparse for instructions.. we (Yocto project we) may have to push for some additional docs on how to use the pr services in a given project.. so we (oe) can leverage the docs</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:25:26) RP: well, the setup was kept simple</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:25:31) khem: I think that would be nice to have a wiki doc or in some form</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:25:38) fray: I do an aweful lot of rm, and rebuilds from scratch to try things out.. so we need to make sure that it's documented how to persist the PR service between builds and developers..</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:25:44) RP: I agree some more detailed docs could be useful</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:26:09) fray: If the YP doesn't have time to document it, we'll have to find someone who can write up a basic readme on it at least</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:26:26) bluelightning: fray: I think we'll have to make time</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:26:43) ***RP agrees</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:26:48) fray: I think so as well, this is going to become critical soon...</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:26:56) ***khem sees an action item</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:26:59) fray: ok, anything else on the PR servives then?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:27:16) RP: No, just that it is becoming more pressing</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:27:25) fray: khem, agreed.. AI for YP folks (RP?) find out about documentation resources and PR service...</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:27:52) fray: AI - -TSC- needs to find someone to write a readme on the use of the PR services, beyond what is in the local.conf.sample.extended</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:27:53) ***RP knows who will end up with this task</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:28:14) fray: ;)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:28:47) fray: ok... on to (new) 3d - cleanup items?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:28:54) RP: yes</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:29:01) RP: There are a lot of things we could try and cleanup</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:29:16) RP: For example should we remove the PCMCIA_MANAGER variable?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:29:19) RP: FILESDIR?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:29:48) khem: I am all for reducing the variables</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:29:55) khem: we have too many</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:30:04) RP: The question is how hard should we pursue something of these things?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:30:10) khem: I think putting this in janitor list would be nice</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:30:17) RP: khem: Its not janitor</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:30:37) RP: khem: you need to know what you're doing as the implications can be singificant</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:30:39) khem: RP: I think creating bugs for tracking them would be first thing</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:30:53) RP: Its also a question of identifying things</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:30:57) fray: ya, I agree with the bugs for these.. I think we need to keep cleaning these items up and making them easier to work with..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:30:58) khem: RP: agreed however class is still same</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:31:48) RP: Things like refactoring the image/package code also spring to mind</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:32:01) RP: the current code in those class files is looking horrendous :(</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:32:02) khem: I dont know if it would make sense to kind of collect a list or go through and find the items to flag first</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:32:09) fray: Absolutely...</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:32:26) RP: Perhaps we should all make some lists</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:32:33) RP: and then translate these into bugs in the bugzilla</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:32:35) khem: and PACKAGE_DYNAMICS can we avoid it</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:32:48) RP: khem: how would you propose that?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:33:11) RP: khem: I never wanted to introduce that in the first place but had no option</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:33:46) fray: ya, it's the dependencies on dynamically generated packages is the problem.....</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:33:49) bluelightning: I have a personal todo item to add some code to immediately flag up when something PACKAGES_DYNAMIC satisfied wasn't actually satisfied at the end of do_package</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:34:07) bluelightning: don't know if that will help but at least the failure will be earlier than do_rootfs</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:34:14) fray: too bad you can't build through a specific location and then trigger bitbake to re compute the dependencies... (once they're no longer dynamic globs)</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:34:21) RP: bluelightning: its not an error for that to occur</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:34:30) RP: bluelightning: think a kernel with all modules as builtins</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:34:45) khem: RP: havent thought deeply for alternative but I think I will</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:34:47) bluelightning: RP: I'm talking about satisfying RDEPENDS not RRECOMMENDS</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:34:52) fray: python, perl and kernel are the biggest PACKAGES_DYNAMIC users right?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:35:04) khem: and may be LEAD_SONAME</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:35:10) khem: can be dropped too</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:35:20) RP: bluelightning: hmm, where are you going to get the information to compute that though? I like the idea but...</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:35:31) RP: khem: LEAD_SONAME is an easier candidate</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:35:34) bluelightning: RP: I haven't looked into it but it can't be impossible</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:35:36) khem: fray eglibc too</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:35:48) fray: locales/charmaps/etc right/</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:35:49) RP: bluelightning: its not impossible, I just worry about the complexity it would introduce</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:35:50) bluelightning: how will debian renaming work without LEAD_SONAME?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:36:11) ***fray -really- hates debian rename.. (but I understand why it's there)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:36:16) RP: bluelightning: I think the idea is you'd split packages more</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:36:30) khem: split well</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:36:45) bluelightning: RP: it really annoys me when we get do_rootfs failures because it's hard to tell what the cause is; a check on PACKAGES_DYNAMIC is just one piece to help with that</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:36:48) RP: fray: you have no idea of the pain that caused in the past ;-)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:36:58) bluelightning: RP: dependency failures in do_rootfs, I mean</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:37:17) RP: bluelightning: some debug code that analyses the failure might be the way to go</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:37:30) fray: ya, it would be nice if PACKAGES_DYNAMIC, when it's no longer dynamic was verified..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:37:33) RP: bluelightning: if we could extract which package was missing from the error output</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:37:42) khem: bluelightning: sometimes they are due to shlib deps in packages</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:38:00) fray: one of the biggest complaints we get from customers is delayed failures.. they'd rather get the failure as soon as it can be detected... (even if it's after 30 minutes of building)</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:38:45) khem: I have a stupid method I use for some rfs errors <a href="http://sakrah.dontexist.org/?p=11" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">http://sakrah.dontexist.org/?p=11</a></div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:38:47) fray: ok.. anyway.. back on topic.. (forgot I was chairing).. Do we have specific actions or things we need to do for this.. (I think we all agree we want to do cleanup, and continue to refactor things as appropriate)</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:39:05) khem: fray: I think we should start filing bugs may be</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:39:19) khem: and add some keyword to them if needed to identify</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:39:38) RP: fray: action to consider things and come up with lists for next meeting?</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:39:48) RP: file bugs</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:39:48) fray: I'm all for that.. right now we've talking about refactoring packages, images, debian related LEAD_SONAME...</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:39:57) fray: RP -- good..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:40:02) RP: Lets try and keep it grounded though</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:40:03) fray: AI -- all consider things to be refactored</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:40:11) RP: Some of these are nice high level but really hard</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:40:15) fray: AI - file bugs on things we already know of.. (if this gets delayed till next week, it's ok)</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:40:53) fray: ok.. anything further on 3d?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:41:34) RP: no</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:41:53) bluelightning: not for the moment</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:41:54) fray: ok.. on to 4a..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:42:18) RP: khem: did you file that bug?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:42:24) fray: 4a is a holding item -- / and /usr seperation.. I haven't seen any additional comments on the list recently (for or againsts).. so think we need to keep monitoring...</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:42:30) fray: what was the devshell item?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:42:32) RP: agreed</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:42:53) RP: add a python devshell maybe using the python interactive interpreter</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:43:02) fray: ahh yes..</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:43:06) RP: khem: was to file a bug</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:43:15) khem: I did</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:43:22) RP: khem: cool :)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:43:42) RP: For the elections, Frans noticed a discrepancy in the dates, I suggest we ask Jefro to revise as Frans pointed out</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:44:12) fray: yup, agreed..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:44:24) khem: and we should remove that from agenda</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:44:42) RP: khem: yes, I just left it to remind me to mention this</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:44:47) fray: May/June 2013 was the date right?</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:44:51) RP: yes</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:45:12) fray: ok.. any thing on 4c?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:45:37) RP: not from m</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:45:40) khem: tom has upgraded servers to 12.04 lts</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:45:50) khem: without any issues</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:45:59) fray: cool..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:46:29) khem: we are done</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:46:33) RP: great. Thanks Tom! :)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:46:43) RP: Anything else anyone wants to talk about?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:46:57) fray: Just wanted to mention the /root vs /home/root discussion in the oe-core list..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:47:10) khem: i am working on eglibc 2.16 upgrade</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:47:14) fray: If anyone has any background or opinions.. I'd appreciate if they could jump in and clarify..</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:47:20) fray: otherwise nothing else from me</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:47:25) bluelightning: I'm still a bit concerned someone added "oe-made-easy" to the OE core start guide</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:47:28) RP: fray: I think its clear we use /home/root and I'll probably take your patch</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:47:39) RP: making it configurable would be nice but that is for another day</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:47:58) RP: bluelightning: ?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:48:04) fray: RP, I'm expecting it won't change due to history.. but it's an item I'd like to make sure everyone knows about.. (like I said in the email, caught me by surprise..)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:48:18) RP: I'd also note that we've got some recursive dependency changes in bitbake being worked on at the moment</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:48:20) bluelightning: concern being, it's something that's not part of OE and could potentially mask problems</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:48:33) RP: please report any odd dependency issues if not already being worked on</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:48:41) bluelightning: <a href="http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded-Core#One-liner_via_oe-made-easy" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded-Core#One-liner_via_oe-made-easy</a></div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:48:43) RP: bluelightning: right, this is some script?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:48:46) bluelightning: yes</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:48:54) bluelightning: I commented on the ml, nobody replied</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:49:29) fray: sorry I missed it..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:50:01) fray: I'm thinking someone should add a comment that this is not part of openEmbedded... but provided to help if someone needs it</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:50:18) fray: if we can review it and it's useful, then we can make it more official..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:50:36) bluelightning: well maybe, but that leads to the kind of docs we had for OE -classic with a million user suggested "better ways" of doing things</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:50:42) fray: my only real concern with something like this is that it's external of the project....</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:50:48) bluelightning: right</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:50:50) fray: bluelightning yes, I can appreciate that as well</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:51:36) RP: I am worried about people adding 101 ways to do things</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:51:38) fray: lets add this as a discussion item for the next meeting.. but until then can someone modify the wiki to just clarify this is external of the openembedded project?</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:51:46) bluelightning: yep I'll do that</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:52:02) RP: The official Yocto Project Quick Start is also growing kind of scarily :(</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:52:24) fray: yet another item for "refactoring" ;)</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:52:49) fray: ok.. anything else for today?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:52:58) RP: I think the "this page" link on the OE wiki page needs to be made more proncounced</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:53:13) RP: then the oe-made-easy thing might be less necessary</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:53:17) RP: fray: no</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:53:31) fray: yup..</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(17:53:36) fray: ok.. calling it.. thanks everyone!</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
(17:54:49) RP: fray: thanks</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Jeff Osier-Mixon <a href="http://jefro.net/blog" target="_blank">http://jefro.net/blog</a><div>Yocto Project Community Manager @Intel <a href="http://yoctoproject.org" target="_blank">http://yoctoproject.org</a></div>
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