<div dir="ltr"><div>The question is: what are the use cases for an 'example/reference UI'? Why have one at all at this point? Remember, the core project is severely under-staffed and we need to commit our limited resources wisely.</div><div><br></div><div>Alex</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 at 14:53, Adrian Bunk <<a href="mailto:bunk@stusta.de">bunk@stusta.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 01:49:27PM +0100, Alexander Kanavin wrote:<br>
>...<br>
> - matchbox is reliant on gtk3 (to be obsoleted by gtk4 this year), and does<br>
> not have a Wayland compositor. Yocto project does not have the resources to<br>
> do the gtk4 port, or add a compositor.<br>
> <br>
> - no 'lightweight Wayland compositor with a desktop/launcher experience"<br>
> has emerged in the open source space; I think the only realistic choice at<br>
> the moment is the reference compositor Weston which provides a blank<br>
> desktop with ability to open terminal windows.<br>
> <br>
> So the way I think things should be going (seeking opinions/inputs of<br>
> course):<br>
>...<br>
> - oe-core continues to support and runtime-test X for as long as possible;<br>
> for this a new image (say, 'core-image-sato-xorg') is created which will<br>
> provide matchbox under X. However, once upstream bitrot sets in, and pain<br>
> threshold is exceeded, this will be removed and/or relegated to a legacy<br>
> layer.<br>
> <br>
> Thoughts?<br>
<br>
matchbox made sense at a time when you could go into a shop and buy an<br>
internet tablet with Linux running on 256 MB flash with 256 MB RAM.<br>
<br>
Part of the problem is that the only remaining usage of this branch<br>
of matchbox development seems to be as example UI for Yocto.<br>
<br>
For matchbox/sato I am wondering whether replacing it with parts of<br>
meta-xfce from meta-openembedded would be a good way forward.<br>
<br>
Upstream Xfce still seems to be 2-3 years away from gtk4 and Wayland <br>
support, but at the point where supporting X might become a problem<br>
this should be available.<br>
<br>
Xfce was my first thought as replacement since it appears to be <br>
well-maintained in meta-openembedded, no strong opinion whether<br>
it is actually the best option.<br>
<br>
> Regards,<br>
> Alex<br>
<br>
cu<br>
Adrian<br>
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