OE TSC Minutes 23 April 2013

Tue May 21 18:33:54 UTC 2013

Acked-by: Khem

On May 21, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Jeff Osier-Mixon <jefro at jefro.net> wrote:

> OpenEmbedded Technical Steering Committee
> 23 April 2013
> 
> Attendees:
>  Koen (koen)
>  Khem (khem)
>  Fray (fray)
>  Paul (bluelightning)
>  Richard (RP)
> Apologies:
> 
> Notes: Jefro
> 
> Agenda at a glance:
> 
> 1. pick a chair
> 2. new issues
> 3. lingering issues
>    a. oe-classic recipe migration status
>    b. summarize release goals
> 4. projects in progress - status
>    a. oe-core release
>    b. infrastructure
>    c. systemd into master - still in progress
>    d. mailing list outage
>    e. meta-oe appends/overlayed recipes RFC
>    f. 1.5 planning
> 5. projects deferred
> 
> ________________________________________________________________
> Agenda & Results
> 
> 1. pick a chair
> fray
> ___________________________________
> 2. new issues
> 
> ___________________________________
> 3. lingering issues
> 
> b. oe-classic recipe migration status
> 
> c. systemd merge unhappiness
> => maintain a wiki page to summarize release goals (jefro)
> => no status emails yet but plan to (RP)
> 
> d. oe.org flooded
>    refs to oe.org git should point to github
> => khem to fix the oe wiki and reminder to ml
>    possible to move server at some point?
> => jefro to investigate YP hosting, kernel.org mirror
> 
> ___________________________________
> 4. projects in progress - status
> 
> a. oe-core release
> autobuilder issues
> qemuimagetest will change significantly in 1.5
> ptest a good addition
> much more to integrate in 1.5
> 
> b. infrastructure
> see 4d
> 
> c. systemd into master - done, drop from future agendas
> 
> d. mailing list outage
> mailing list moving to YP server, in progress
> list addresses will not change
> 
> e. meta-oe appends/overlayed recipes RFC
> http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2013-February/043925.html
> no avr32 support in public layers
> => paul has patches to remove bbappends, pending discussion on ml
> everything uncontested has been sent for review
> http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2013-February/043964.html
> qt4/qt tools stuff troublesome
> 
> f. 1.5 planning
> RP supports PACKAGECONFIG proposal
> 
> ___________________________________
> 5. projects deferred
> 
> a. raise awareness of "janitor" list, QA "bugs"
> defer to after 1.4
> 
> b. document whitespace changes to the shell
> http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Commit_Patch_Message_Guidelines
> http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Styleguide
> https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Recipe_%26_Patch_Style_Guide
> => still need to de-dup these, need a volunteer
> ask for volunteers after 1.4 (jefro)
> 
> c. raise ntp with the Yocto Project [RP]
> immediate need addressed, reasonable default needed
> use LICENSE_FLAGS - non-commercial
> no default set after Paul's changes
> RP raised with YP AB
> => going to mailing lists & someone should write a proposal
> => fray will send to list after 1.4
> 
> ________________________________________________________________
> Raw Transcript
> 
> (8:58:08 AM) mode (+v Jefro) by ChanServ
> (8:58:18 AM) koen: good morning all
> (8:58:37 AM) Jefro: good morning
> (8:59:04 AM) RP: Hi everyone
> (8:59:32 AM) RP: I suspect we might not get Paul today
> (8:59:59 AM) Jefro: I would expect not
> (9:00:07 AM) Jefro: any new issues to put on the agenda?
> (9:00:42 AM) ***fray is fried, between snow storms, house stuff and work...
> (9:00:53 AM) fray: so no new items from me
> (9:00:54 AM) ***RP is also fried, due to the release
> (9:01:23 AM) RP: Jefro: link to the agenda?
> (9:03:15 AM) Jefro: agenda in about 2 seconds
> (9:03:51 AM) Jefro: finally: http://pastebin.com/ZTtdqWRm
> (9:05:47 AM) Jefro: any new issues?
> (9:05:49 AM) fray: ok
> (9:06:47 AM) RP: nothing new from me
> (9:06:54 AM) RP: Who is chairing?
> (9:07:03 AM) ***RP did it recently so its not me :)
> (9:08:24 AM) fray: I can
> (9:09:27 AM) fray: ok?
> (9:09:35 AM) Jefro: sounds good to me
> (9:09:44 AM) fray: 2. any (additional) new issues?
> (9:10:18 AM) fray: 3. lingering issues
> (9:10:29 AM) fray: a. oe-classic migration status.. (no Paul, so no status?)
> (9:10:58 AM) RP: I've still not done the perl recipes
> (9:11:11 AM) RP: I have a small issue of figuring out which ones
> merged into perl itself
> (9:11:28 AM) RP: I think progress is being made slowly in a variety of areas
> (9:12:18 AM) fray: b, then?  release goals..
> (9:12:19 AM) fray: I saw the first email for the 1.5 bitbake changes go out..
> (9:12:53 AM) RP: Yes, we're looking at 1.5 planning
> (9:12:55 AM) koen: I loved the "if we split bitbake into a client and
> server" response
> (9:12:59 AM) koen: that was done years ago :)
> (9:13:17 AM) RP: koen: indeed
> (9:13:31 AM) RP: The email was to give people the high level idea
> (9:13:39 AM) RP: the details are still tbd
> (9:14:16 AM) RP: As for the current release, 1.4 is beyond the point
> it can take changes without slipping now
> (9:14:36 AM) RP: I've seen there are some issues but nothing I believe
> it worth slipping the release for
> (9:15:00 AM) fray: I'm comfortable with a release and known bug list
> (9:15:04 AM) RP: As always I'd encourage people to use the bugzilla,
> we do work closely with it
> (9:15:19 AM) RP: (both for 1.4 issues and 1.5)
> (9:15:58 AM) koen: the postinst situation is a lot better now, the
> mixed gconf/gsettings/gtk-iconcache now run completely on the host
> (9:16:28 AM) koen: there's still a problem with run-postinst.service, though
> (9:17:14 AM) fray: 3 e then?  (not sure where c an d went)
> (9:17:35 AM) RP: koen: right, not there with that one yet but we'll
> figure it out...
> (9:18:12 AM) koen: I changed Timeoutsec to 600 so it will timeout
> after 10 minutes
> (9:18:21 AM) Jefro: fray they were removed because of austerity
> (9:18:35 AM) fray: One comment on 3e -- YP hosting of oe.org.. I'm not
> sure that is an actual solution.. as I've been noticing
> git.yoctoproject.org getting slower over time..
> (9:18:48 AM) fray: adding the load of oe.org may not work to either
> projects advantage.. :(
> (9:19:18 AM) RP: Sorry, I've been looking at the wrong items :/
> (9:19:20 AM) Jefro: fray it might be possible to use the addition of
> oe as impetus to beef up the servers &/| bandwidth
> (9:19:34 AM) Jefro: or it might be good to find a different solution
> (9:19:57 AM) RP: fray: have you mentioned that to Michael?
> (9:20:01 AM) fray: Jefro ya.. I think it would have to be.. -if-
> git.yp... was an active mirror (or irigin)
> (9:20:16 AM) fray: I did..  he traced it down to high load, mirroring
> releases, etc..
> (9:20:32 AM) RP: fray: ah, the mirroring is a killer on bandwidth
> (9:20:43 AM) fray: it's still acceptable performance, but it's
> definitely getting slower then when this project was new.. ;)
> (9:20:52 AM) RP: fray: is it back to normal now?
> (9:20:59 AM) fray: havn't looked today..
> (9:21:46 AM) RP: For 3b, I will start the status emails for 1.5, just
> trying to get over the release stress atm
> (9:22:04 AM) fray: yup.. I think the bitbake one going out first was a
> good start
> (9:23:02 AM) fray: current download speed is approx 200-300 KiB/s for
> me..  my machine can normally get 1 MiB/s down at max
> (9:23:12 AM) fray: like I said, acceptable.. but slower then it used to be..
> (9:23:30 AM) fray: on to 4?
> (9:24:10 AM) khem: hi all
> (9:24:10 AM) RP: fray: ok with me
> (9:24:14 AM) RP: hi khem
> (9:24:15 AM) koen: we covered 4a a bit already :)
> (9:24:23 AM) RP: I talked about 1.4 above
> (9:24:28 AM) fray: 4a oe-core release status.. anything to add?
> (9:24:34 AM) fray: hey khem
> (9:24:49 AM) RP: I don't have much to add. I'm fried basically :/
> (9:24:56 AM) khem: connectiions in new buildings are troublesome
> (9:24:59 AM) fray: yup.. we can come back to that next time..
> (9:25:03 AM) khem: and we are a networking company :(
> (9:25:11 AM) Jefro: I have khem on cell - he is having network issues at work
> (9:25:14 AM) Jefro: ah, there he is
> (9:25:17 AM) fray: anything new on infrastructure issue(s) other then
> mailing list (or git)?
> (9:25:18 AM) khem: I have to drop at 9:30
> (9:25:38 AM) fray: khem hopefully we'll be done soon..
> (9:25:42 AM) RP: khem: anything you want to talk about then?
> (9:25:44 AM) khem: I met with halstead and tom king
> (9:26:20 AM) khem: so right now Phil is wating on TSCs direction for
> extracting the ml archives from ltg
> (9:26:36 AM) khem: and I think Michael said he will work on it this week
> (9:26:41 AM) fray: what direction do we need to do (if any)?
> (9:26:42 AM) khem: if he has archives
> (9:27:02 AM) khem: I think TSC is ok with him providing the archives or not
> (9:27:11 AM) RP: khem: I say we are
> (9:27:14 AM) fray: I don't have any problem with it
> (9:27:47 AM) RP: The ml issues have hurt project productivity recently :(
> (9:28:22 AM) RP: do we know where they're planning to migrate to?
> (9:28:25 AM) khem: OK
> (9:29:36 AM) Jefro: RP migration to YP servers
> (9:29:53 AM) RP: Jefro: ok
> (9:30:41 AM) fray: anything else on infrastructure before khem has to go?
> (9:31:19 AM) Jefro: khem - are you going to talk to pb? anything you
> need from me?
> (9:34:16 AM) khem: Jefro: I will take the TSC message
> (9:34:25 AM) Jefro: khem ok
> (9:34:26 AM) fray: ok..
> (9:34:26 AM) khem: and connvey to him
> (9:35:18 AM) fray: 4c then?  systemd into master..  Can we consider
> this 'done' and now at the point of in (and at the point of
> maintenance?)
> (9:35:49 AM) RP: yes, I think we should consider that "done" and into
> bugfixing/enhancement like the rest of the system
> (9:36:22 AM) khem: pardon me
> (9:36:38 AM) khem: I am going for a yocto brain was
> (9:36:49 AM) RP: khem: ?!
> (9:36:58 AM) fray: ok.. so drop 4c from future status..
> (9:36:59 AM) khem: oh work :)
> (9:37:07 AM) fray: 4d we already covered (mailing list)
> (9:37:11 AM) khem: I have to talk there
> (9:37:18 AM) khem: so I will leave now
> (9:37:28 AM) fray: 4e -- meta-oe appends/overlayed recipes RFC... I
> suggest we postpone until Paul is around
> (9:37:30 AM) fray: ok
> (9:37:34 AM) RP: khem: ok, have fun! ;-)
> (9:37:37 AM) Jefro: I totally want to know what a "yocto brain was" might be
> (9:37:41 AM) khem: yeah I will try
> (9:37:44 AM) RP: fray: yes, progress is being made there though
> (9:38:06 AM) RP: Jefro: I suspect it was meant t be wash
> (9:38:13 AM) ***fray was guessing 'wash' as well..
> (9:38:15 AM) RP: Jefro: with Khem doing the washing ;-)
> (9:39:00 AM) RP: For 4f did we get a bugzilla entry?
> (9:39:06 AM) RP: and what was the proposal again? :)
> (9:39:16 AM) ***fray was going to ask the same thing
> (9:39:28 AM) RP: For 5), no update afaik
> (9:39:39 AM) RP: I think it was to more widely adopt PACKAGECONFIG?
> (9:39:52 AM) fray: could be.. and I'm all in favor of that
> (9:40:10 AM) fray: FYI 4a/4c  I'm going to push that out another
> couple weeks till the 1.4 dust settles..
> (9:40:17 AM) fray: but not much further
> (9:42:10 AM) fray: ok.. anything else?
> (9:42:30 AM) RP: nothing I can think of
> (9:42:40 AM) fray: adjourned?
> (9:43:08 AM) Jefro: w00t
> (9:43:19 AM) fray: :)
> (9:43:40 AM) Jefro: I'll send out minutes as soon as everyone is able
> to ack the last ones I sent out... last night
> (9:43:48 AM) fray: ok
> 
> --
> Jeff Osier-Mixon http://jefro.net/blog
> Yocto Project Community Manager @Intel http://yoctoproject.org
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