[Yocto-Advocacy] OE/Yocto "thing" update 2018-11-28

Fri Dec 14 17:34:00 UTC 2018

OES will likely be similar to the advanced room at YPDD as I understand things. Afterall many of the ypdd talks aren’t actually specific to YP.

Behan

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> On Dec 14, 2018, at 1:44 AM, Erway, Tracey M <tracey.m.erway at intel.com> wrote:
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> I’m totally intrigued at this point.
> What goes on in OE training vs YP training?
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> From: yocto-advocacy-bounces at yoctoproject.org [mailto:yocto-advocacy-bounces at yoctoproject.org] On Behalf Of Erway, Tracey M
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 12:49 AM
> To: Behan Webster <behanw at converseincode.com>
> Cc: tsc at lists.openembedded.org; Tom King <ka6sox at gmail.com>; Jeff Osier-Mixon <jefro at jefro.net>; Michael Halstead <mhalstead at linuxfoundation.org>; OE Board <board at openembedded.org>; yocto-advocacy at yoctoproject.org
> Subject: Re: [Yocto-Advocacy] OE/Yocto "thing" update 2018-11-28
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> Really helpful information. Excited about the OE event because I’m not sure I’ve heard about other OE events like this.
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> We should work on the language associated with joint endeavors now, so we can move smoothly forward in the future.
> And frankly, if we have individual events, we should have that language ready as well.
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> Unfortunately I don’t know how we get the funding for the YP event at this point :<
> We have been lucky the last 11 or so years to have Intel’s significant sponsorship across the board for YP, in a non architectural support type of way.
> Its put YP on the map across the world.
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> But now our biggest concern is the heath of the project, not smaller gains training opportunities.
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> I think we need to put our priorities into perspective.
> And I hate saying that.
> /t
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> From: Behan Webster [mailto:behanw at converseincode.com] 
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 12:37 AM
> To: Erway, Tracey M <tracey.m.erway at intel.com>
> Cc: Trevor Woerner <twoerner at gmail.com>; OE Board <board at openembedded.org>; tsc at lists.openembedded.org; yocto-advocacy at yoctoproject.org; Tom King <ka6sox at gmail.com>; Michael Halstead <mhalstead at linuxfoundation.org>; Jeff Osier-Mixon <jefro at jefro.net>
> Subject: Re: [Yocto-Advocacy] OE/Yocto "thing" update 2018-11-28
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> To clear up the confusion:
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> As it stands, Trevor is running a single day event for OE. There was some talk about making this a joint event, but for this and other reasons, OES (OE Summit is the working name) will be OpenEmbedded only.
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> Tom and I were planning to continue to run a single day of YP training at SCaLE (the same training we do for YPDD). Something which, based on what you’re saying, presumably has been approved in the past since we’ve run this for 3 years already. I have no idea whether or not this is the case; we were merely continuing what we’ve done in past years making the assumption it was still something which people would want.
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> So 2 days: one is YP, the other OE. The only link at this moment is that they are in the same room on sequential days. No other link.
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> Indeed in a separate future conversation I’d like to discuss a more joint effort for something to run before or after ELC and ELCE. In that matter your concerns are indeed relevant.
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> I hope this clears things up.
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> Behan™ ;)
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> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:14 PM, Erway, Tracey M <tracey.m.erway at intel.com> wrote:
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> Folks,
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> I have no idea who these people are copied on this thread. Who is on the TSC list?  Hi Tom King and Behan :)
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> There needs to be some clarity here.
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> Yocto Project is run by Linux Foundation rules.
> It has a huge following and with that comes responsibility. We have to protect our branding and keep clarity associated with the Yocto Project name and what it delivers.
> I’ve held off responding to this, but I need to because Yocto Project is not a free for all relative to marketing efforts.
> I need you all to understand that branding is important and this event can not and will not proceed without clearer direction and approval.
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> First of all Yocto Project is trademarked. It’s Yocto Project™.
> Second of all, we have branding requirements that must be met. All collateral and materials must meet the branding guidelines which are published and open.
> Any event using the Yocto Project name needs to be approved by the AB and needs to have all collateral and communication approved by Andreea as the YP Advocacy lead. It has to meet our standards.
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> Next, I’m not sure what the advantages of an “OE/Yocto Project” event are. There is no marketing connection between YP and OE.
> If OE wants to put on a training event that is wonderful and OE should move forward with that. But any use of YP assets needs to be approved.
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> Yocto Project is an open source project but it is part of the Linux Foundation. To connect these projects, OE needs to become an LF project.
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> I understand that OE is important to YP in many ways, and YP is important to OE, but there is no approved marketing connection.
> There is no reviewed or approved demarcation of how OE and YP would be presented in a marketing / training event.
> All of the materials would need to be reviewed and approved relative to messaging.
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> The excitement and eagerness is appreciated but we are responsible for protecting the branding and promise of the Yocto Project name.
> /t
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> From: yocto-advocacy-bounces at yoctoproject.org [mailto:yocto-advocacy-bounces at yoctoproject.org] On Behalf Of Trevor Woerner
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 1:11 PM
> To: OE Board <board at openembedded.org>; tsc at lists.openembedded.org; yocto-advocacy at yoctoproject.org; Tom King <ka6sox at gmail.com>; Behan Webster <behanw at converseincode.com>; Michael Halstead <mhalstead at linuxfoundation.org>; Jeffrey Osier-mixon <jefro at jefro.net>
> Subject: [Yocto-Advocacy] OE/Yocto "thing" update 2018-11-28
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> Hi everyone,
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> I am organizing an OE/Yocto "event" at the upcoming SCaLE conference[1] under the conviction OE/Yocto needs to expand beyond ELC/E, and OED{A|E}M. Here is an update on my progress.
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> Agenda: 1) naming, 2) advertising, 3) date, 4) speakers
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> 1) Naming
> So far we haven't, as of yet, 100% settled on a name for the event. I think the top contenders include "OE/Yocto Summit" and "OE/Yocto Mini-Conf", with and without the word "User" thrown in there as well (e.g. "OE/Yocto User Summit").
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> Ideas? Votes? Suggestions?
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> 2) Advertising
> We need a place to advertise this. I'll be sending out an email to the various OE/Yocto mailing lists (my proposed lists are: yocto at yoctoproject.org and openembedded-core at lists.openembedded.org) but the more advertising the better. I don't get the impression there will be any advertisement on the SCaLE website itself, other than to make people aware of a general "Embedded Track" occurring at the conference. Would it be possible/okay to create a page on the OE wiki about it? What about something on a Yocto page/wiki?
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> 3) Date
> Although SCaLE itself is a 4-day event, this OE/Yocto-specific thing will be 1-day in length. While still not 100% cast in stone, this event is very likely to occur on Sunday, March 10, 2019.
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> 4) Speakers
> So far I've just been contacting some people directly to test the waters and gauge interest. I have not yet sent out a general request for talks.
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> For this first such event, my goal is to target "users" of OE/Yocto (instead of core developers) and invite them to share their experiences (both good and bad) as part of their initial forays into this project. I'm keen to reach people who are new, and get their feedback before they learn all the "tribal knowledge". I would every much like to see future such events targeted towards core developers. But as a first attempt I'm interested in a user conference.
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> As such the current list of people I've contacted includes:
> Alistair Francis, Western Digital, RISC-V
> Jon Mason, the ARM<->Yocto liaison
> Rich Persaud, OpenXT
> Katrina Prosise, Togan Labs
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> We have space for 6 talks if they are 40-minute in length, otherwise we could have more talks if a bunch of shorter ones are proposed.
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> Alistair has already committed and confirmed a 40-minute talk. Nothing 100% confirmed from the rest quite yet, and spaces are still available.
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> I don't have a hard deadline yet for proposals, my goal is that these talks be relevant when they are given in March. As such, I don't want to set a hard date too far before the event. I'll want to firm things up by late January or early February.
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> The intention is that these talks will be recorded, and posted online at some point.
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> Best regards,
>     Trevor
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> [1] https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/17x
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