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==Location and Time==
 
==Location and Time==
  
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Co-located with the [https://pretalx.com/yocto-project-summit-2021/ Yocto Project Summit ] held on May 25-26, 2021. Exact times are TBD.  
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Co-located with the [https://pretalx.com/yocto-project-summit-2021/ Yocto Project Summit ] held on May 25-26, 2021.
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The Developers Meeting is scheduled for May 25th between 15:30 and 20:00 UTC.
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The exact times for each individual topic are found below in the schedule.
  
 
==Format==
 
==Format==
  
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Since this will be a virtual meeting we are going to change the format around to try and make it easier to get input from the global community and still maintain an in person portion.
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As always, we will collect topics on
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the wiki at https://www.openembedded.org/OEDVM_2021.
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For the actual developer meeting, there will be pre-assigned timeslots for
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each topic. The moderator(s) have the option of opening with 
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a short introduction/presentation to introduce the topic.
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==Topic Ideas==
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* BSPs: best practice exemplars, cross-project issue tracker, linters, incentive loop design
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** Moderator(s): Rich Persaud, Philip Balister
  
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Running a virtual developer meeting presents a new set of challenges and
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<br>
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a chance to engage a larger audience. As always, we will collect topics on
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* Insight into the life of a Maintainer
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the wiki at https://www.openembedded.org/OEDVM_2021. For each topic, we expect at
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** Moderator(s): Armin Kuster
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least three people to agree to be moderators for the discussion. About two
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*** The good, bad and ugly of Maintaining Poky, meta-openembedded, meta-security and a BSP.
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weeks before the meeting (early May), the OpenEmbedded board and technical
 
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steering committee will select 6 topics for discussion.
 
  
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To increase global participation, we strongly encourage moderators to
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prerecord 10-15 minutes opening statement describing the topic and current
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* X11 is dead; long live X11! what's to become of core-image-sato?
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state of solutions. These will be posted to the OpenEmbedded youtube channel
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** Moderator(s): Trevor Woerner, Alexander Kanavin, Joshua Watt, Ross Burton
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so people can view them at a convenient time. We would like to collect
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** Premise:
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feedback as youtube comments (???) (maybe wiki?) We do not expect perfect
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*** the Yocto Project provides a sample distribution (poky) and images (core-image-minimal, core-image-base, core-image-full-cmdline…) to give users examples to follow and provide a basis for testing purposes
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videos, this can be done by recording a zoom meeting of the moderators.
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*** core-image-sato was created to fill the GUI niche as an example and for testing
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The idea is reach the global community across all time zones and allow
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*** core-image-sato is based on gtk+ 3.x and x11
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them to provide asynchronous input without losing sleep. The remaining 45
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*** both gtk+ 3 and x11 are EOL/unmaintained
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minutes are for reviewing comments and further discussion.
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** Discussion:
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*** do we need a GUI image going forward (as an example, for testing purposes)?
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*** how much testing does core-image-sato receive?
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*** how many teams have based their work on core-image-sato?
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*** if a GUI image is still needed, upon which toolkit and compositor should it be based?
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*** what's to become of core-image-sato?
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*** what's to become of x11 support in oecore?
  
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For the actual developer meeting, there will be six one hour timeslots for
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<br>
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each topic. The moderators have the option of opening with the video or
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* SBOM (Software Bill of Materials)
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doing something else if the online discussions warrants a change. The
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** Moderator(s): Trevor Woerner, Armin Kuster, Mikko Murto (meta-doubleopen)
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moderators should summarize the online comments and then moderate a  
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** Premise:
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discussion with the online live audience. We hope that by presenting
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*** the requirement to provide a software bill of materials when delivering software to a customer/user is becoming more and more common
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the topic early, people have a chance to think out concrete solutions
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*** e.g. a recent Executive Order in the United States requires an SBOM for security reasons
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for discussion.
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*** as a project that creates images from sources, YP/OE is perfectly positioned to generate SBOMs for its artifacts
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*** we already generate similar information for software licence compliance via SPDX
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** Discussion:
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*** meta-doubleopen seems to be moving in this direction
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*** what information is required for an SBOM, what are the requirements to create a legally compliant SBOM?
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*** SPDX seems to be the best format for us to use, any objections?
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*** in our builds when/where do we generate the SBOM? do_package/do_packagedata? archiver/do_populate_lic?
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*** we already generate various manifests (e.g. buildhistory) should we replace this information with proper SBOMs?
  
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The topics discussed during the live meeting will be selected from the topics with the strongest
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<br>
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topic moderator support. For example, a topic that no one is willing to moderate will not be selected.
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* LTS (Long Term Support)
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If we have more topics with moderators than we can schedule, we will identify the selected topics before
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** Moderator(s): Trevor Woerner, Armin Kuster, Khem Raj
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moderators start preparing the topic introduction material.
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** Premise:
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*** for the first time ever, the Yocto Project experimented with having an LTS as well as its regular releases
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** Discussion:
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*** did anyone notice?
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*** did anyone use it?
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*** what did people like about it?
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*** what could be changed?
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*** should we do it again?
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*** what repercussions are there for the larger YP/OE community (layer maintainers)?
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*** is 2 years too much? not enough? just right?
  
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==Topic Ideas==
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<br>
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* Insight into the life of a Maintainer
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* Improving Layer quality: Layerindex combined with a layerchecker
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* BSPs: best practice exemplars, cross-project issue tracker, linters, incentive loop design
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** Moderator(s): Jan-Simon Möller (dl9pf@gmx.de)
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* OE Resourcing: gaps, role naming, work metadata, bridging OSS/commercial
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** Premise:
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*** Layers need to interop well. There is work to do. Let's chop some wood!
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** Discussion:
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*** Overview on the current state
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*** Your own pain points ?
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*** The good and the bad examples ?!
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*** How can we improve collectively ?
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*** How can we support that process ?
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<br>
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* Project Documentation
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** Moderator(s): Michael Opdenacker, Nicolas Dechesne
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** Premise:
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*** the Yocto Project takes documentation very seriously and strives to have relevant, up-to-date documentation available for all users
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*** feedback about the current state of the documentation
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*** ongoing work
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*** guidelines for contributing
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** Discussion:
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*** what's missing?
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*** what should be fixed?
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*** what's obsolete?
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* Automation of CVE Verification
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** Moderators: David Reyna, Shachar Menashe
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** Premise:
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*** Propose Sharing CVE information via Layer Index to assist automation
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*** CVE checking by package version does not capture OE patches, so false positives
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*** CVE management is expensive, automation makes it feasible, data must be programmatically available
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** Discussion:
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*** Proposal to contribute to the Layer Index to share CVE information
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*** Proposal to validate this for internal tools (CVE Checker, SRTool)
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*** Proposal to validate this for external tools (VDoo, ...)
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*** Open discussion in ways to help CVE management
  
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==FAQ==
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==Schedule==
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All times are in UTC.
  
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The format is new, we will try and add clarifications here.
 
  
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# Do I need to be present at the live meeting to moderate a topic? No, just make sure the topic has one or two people for the live session.
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* 1530 - 1555: CVE
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* 1555 - 1615: BSOM
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* 1615 - 1640: Documentation
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* 1650 - 1720: X11/sato
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* 1730 - 1800: Layer Quality
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* 1810 - 1840: BSP
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* 1850 - 1920: Maintainer's Life
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* 1930 - 2000: LTS
  
 
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Latest revision as of 15:51, 25 May 2021

Location and Time

Co-located with the Yocto Project Summit held on May 25-26, 2021.

The Developers Meeting is scheduled for May 25th between 15:30 and 20:00 UTC. The exact times for each individual topic are found below in the schedule.

Format

As always, we will collect topics on the wiki at https://www.openembedded.org/OEDVM_2021.

For the actual developer meeting, there will be pre-assigned timeslots for each topic. The moderator(s) have the option of opening with a short introduction/presentation to introduce the topic.

Topic Ideas

  • BSPs: best practice exemplars, cross-project issue tracker, linters, incentive loop design
    • Moderator(s): Rich Persaud, Philip Balister


  • Insight into the life of a Maintainer
    • Moderator(s): Armin Kuster
      • The good, bad and ugly of Maintaining Poky, meta-openembedded, meta-security and a BSP.


  • X11 is dead; long live X11! what's to become of core-image-sato?
    • Moderator(s): Trevor Woerner, Alexander Kanavin, Joshua Watt, Ross Burton
    • Premise:
      • the Yocto Project provides a sample distribution (poky) and images (core-image-minimal, core-image-base, core-image-full-cmdline…) to give users examples to follow and provide a basis for testing purposes
      • core-image-sato was created to fill the GUI niche as an example and for testing
      • core-image-sato is based on gtk+ 3.x and x11
      • both gtk+ 3 and x11 are EOL/unmaintained
    • Discussion:
      • do we need a GUI image going forward (as an example, for testing purposes)?
      • how much testing does core-image-sato receive?
      • how many teams have based their work on core-image-sato?
      • if a GUI image is still needed, upon which toolkit and compositor should it be based?
      • what's to become of core-image-sato?
      • what's to become of x11 support in oecore?


  • SBOM (Software Bill of Materials)
    • Moderator(s): Trevor Woerner, Armin Kuster, Mikko Murto (meta-doubleopen)
    • Premise:
      • the requirement to provide a software bill of materials when delivering software to a customer/user is becoming more and more common
      • e.g. a recent Executive Order in the United States requires an SBOM for security reasons
      • as a project that creates images from sources, YP/OE is perfectly positioned to generate SBOMs for its artifacts
      • we already generate similar information for software licence compliance via SPDX
    • Discussion:
      • meta-doubleopen seems to be moving in this direction
      • what information is required for an SBOM, what are the requirements to create a legally compliant SBOM?
      • SPDX seems to be the best format for us to use, any objections?
      • in our builds when/where do we generate the SBOM? do_package/do_packagedata? archiver/do_populate_lic?
      • we already generate various manifests (e.g. buildhistory) should we replace this information with proper SBOMs?


  • LTS (Long Term Support)
    • Moderator(s): Trevor Woerner, Armin Kuster, Khem Raj
    • Premise:
      • for the first time ever, the Yocto Project experimented with having an LTS as well as its regular releases
    • Discussion:
      • did anyone notice?
      • did anyone use it?
      • what did people like about it?
      • what could be changed?
      • should we do it again?
      • what repercussions are there for the larger YP/OE community (layer maintainers)?
      • is 2 years too much? not enough? just right?


  • Improving Layer quality: Layerindex combined with a layerchecker
    • Moderator(s): Jan-Simon Möller (dl9pf@gmx.de)
    • Premise:
      • Layers need to interop well. There is work to do. Let's chop some wood!
    • Discussion:
      • Overview on the current state
      • Your own pain points ?
      • The good and the bad examples ?!
      • How can we improve collectively ?
      • How can we support that process ?


  • Project Documentation
    • Moderator(s): Michael Opdenacker, Nicolas Dechesne
    • Premise:
      • the Yocto Project takes documentation very seriously and strives to have relevant, up-to-date documentation available for all users
      • feedback about the current state of the documentation
      • ongoing work
      • guidelines for contributing
    • Discussion:
      • what's missing?
      • what should be fixed?
      • what's obsolete?


  • Automation of CVE Verification
    • Moderators: David Reyna, Shachar Menashe
    • Premise:
      • Propose Sharing CVE information via Layer Index to assist automation
      • CVE checking by package version does not capture OE patches, so false positives
      • CVE management is expensive, automation makes it feasible, data must be programmatically available
    • Discussion:
      • Proposal to contribute to the Layer Index to share CVE information
      • Proposal to validate this for internal tools (CVE Checker, SRTool)
      • Proposal to validate this for external tools (VDoo, ...)
      • Open discussion in ways to help CVE management

Schedule

All times are in UTC.


  • 1530 - 1555: CVE
  • 1555 - 1615: BSOM
  • 1615 - 1640: Documentation
  • 1650 - 1720: X11/sato
  • 1730 - 1800: Layer Quality
  • 1810 - 1840: BSP
  • 1850 - 1920: Maintainer's Life
  • 1930 - 2000: LTS
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